Mad idea to make forms more appealing


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I was trying to think of ways to make the forms more appealing to my peacebringer. I was thinking how about giving them their own inherent.

For the Nova form I was thinking of something along the lines of scourge might make me interested.

For the Dwarf I was liking the idea of fury.

I know they currently get access to cosmic balance but I'm not really that convinced its that great. Its a bit random imo.


 

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Nova already gets a 40% bonus to damage irc.
Chasing Fury in Dwarf form doesn't sound all that appealing to me either...

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As Maestro already mentioned the forms already have their own 'inherent'. Those inherents already make it worthwhile to take the forms.

Nova: + damage
Dwarf: + resist, massive hold protection (,teleport)

I like my peacebringer just the way he is (I even liked him before the latest changes to peacebringers).

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Becoming a flying squid or a giant white lobster isn't appealing enough?! *Gasp!*

On a serious note, I think the Peacebringers are pretty well off just the way they are. Sure, they could use less knockback. Sure, their powers don't meld all three forms together as well as a Warshade, but hey, they were a lot better than they were before Freedom.

Besides, if they should add anything to the forms, it should be faster shapeshifting (imo).


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Well I did say it was a 'mad' idea. Personally I feel the forms are a bit meh!

Each to his own I guess...

Btw if you do it right you don't have to chase fury, it comes to you


 

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For the Op:
Interesting, but it won't go very far, considering the forms themselves have global buffs already. Which is essentially an inherent of it's own. Fury would make more sense if dwarf had a better/more fluent attack chain. There tends to be decent pauses between the attack bursts which wouldn't work well with fury, now a taunt aura...that would be nice!


Personally:
I'd love more forms to choose from :3 Like in an epic pool or something.

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Some optional animations in the customisation section would be nice. I know some people also preferred to old light form animation (i guess it wasn't compatible with forms).


 

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Some optional animations in the customisation section would be nice. I know some people also preferred to old light form animation (i guess it wasn't compatible with forms).
Yeah probably, It would be nice to have some more engaging animation options...or even color customization would be nice. I love the look of Glowing Touch, but i can't get it anywhere else.


 

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i always liked joe's suggestion of taking the 40% damage buff of nova and building that into the attacks


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i always liked joe's suggestion of taking the 40% damage buff of nova and building that into the attacks
So has everyone except Arbiter Hawk when I brought that up to him in person.


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The forms can feel a it "meh" as you say, on lower end builds where White Dwarf especially has a hard time making an attack chain. But in the high end they aren't terrible, and just last week when Statesman was the WST I found a team of 7 requesting a tank. Rather than get my tanks, I grabbed my Peacebringer because I am a cocky *******. Recluse didn't kill me once, and we didn't have an empath. Granted with incarnates its tough to call any non incarnate content difficult, but there were many on the team who were SURE that Dwarves couldn't possibly tank LR. Well I did.

Nova form with perma Light Form builds is pretty sicknasty too, it is FAR too tough thanks to the improved Light Form and it doesn't really need any more powers to be able to do its job. I'd personally like one more attack for both Novas and both Dwarves if only for variety's sake. Triple proc'd Nova Bolt and double proc'd Ragnarok Nova Blast do make an excellent 1-2-1-2 attack chain but it's arguably pretty damn boring, and Dwarf's attack chain is equally boring.


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In the end I used the ability to have three builds to make an all human, a dwarf and a nova build.

I find that for teams that have a suitable 'tank' I use the human build and if I'm solo or on a team with no 'tank' I switch to the dwarf build. So far I really haven't found much use for the nova build.

I dwarf tanked the ITF for a team last night and it worked out pretty smoothly. My build uses IOs to get as much additional hit points, regen and recharge as I can and it seems to work out pretty well. I find that because the build only has two forms I can slot it much better than if I had tried for full triform. I still feel the forms could be a bit more interesting, their attack chains are rather dull.

I also think that the Kheld inherent is a bit half-baked and could use some serious work.


 

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Not in any words worth repeating. There was "a look" but it's hard to characterize those through plain text, so I won't even try.


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Besides, if they should add anything to the forms, it should be faster shapeshifting (imo).
This is the reason why I don't use multiple forms.


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The reason most don't like the shape-shifting transform time is because they lose seconds of effectiveness of Build Up, Hasten and inspirations by the time wasted during the animation. So, extend the duration of Build-up and other time-dependent powers by the time it takes to transform.


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I have always thought that we should be able to use powers like pulsar, inner light and hasten while shifted.

I don't see any reason why they are human form only. We can use things like secondary mutation while shifted so I don't think that it can be the mechanics behind the form shift that locks them out.


 

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I'd love more forms to choose from :3 Like in an epic pool or something
I like that thought, actually! I'd love an epic power pool for the HEAT's! It should diversify though, so it wouldn't just affect shapeshifters only. Perhaps allow you to either specialize using forms or utilizing a human-only playstyle through various buffs for either selection. I'd also like to see another shapeshift form, something that has the prowess of a stalker. Like an alien-cat-tentacle-thingy. That'd be neat


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Originally Posted by NecroOmNomNomicon View Post
Granted with incarnates its tough to call any non incarnate content difficult, but there were many on the team who were SURE that Dwarves couldn't possibly tank LR. Well I did..
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I don't see any reason why they are human form only. We can use things like secondary mutation while shifted so I don't think that it can be the mechanics behind the form shift that locks them out.
I always wondered why Keldians couldn't use some of the Auxiliary powers while in forms... It just would make since (to me) to be able to use Hasten or even some other powers that are available... Would they really Break the system?



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Personally I think anything that isn't a either a direct damage attack, a heal or a shield should be available for use in forms. I honestly can't see that it's overpowered.


 

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Originally Posted by Star_Seer View Post
Personally I think anything that isn't a either a direct damage attack, a heal or a shield should be available for use in forms. I honestly can't see that it's overpowered.
Makes some sense since we can use incarnate powers in forms. I think is has to do with making each form unique etc.... I do agree that the restrictions could use another review with this in mind.

I will always support these kinds of good suggestions.


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I don't think adding mildly annoying restrictions is a good way to make the forms unique.

I think the fact that dwarf form is tough and is a melee only form and nova is fragile and ranged only is unique enough tbh.


 

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I would rather not be able to use any human powers in form mode because I enjoy the playstyle that tri-form brings, but I would love insta-shapeshifting.


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