Super Pack Suggestions


Aura_Familia

 

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I just bought 24+1 of these, and my spouse did the same. Couple of small suggestions -

1 - There should be a unique, "triumphant" sound that plays if you get rares / very rares. The "cha-ching!" noise of getting drops doesn't quite cut it; when I flipped up the black wolf, there should have been a howl; when I flipped a Very Rare ATO, there should have been a blare of trumpets, or something. Just an observation.

Plus, there should be the "Zzzzzip" of shuffling a deck when you open a pack, and maybe the "ft-ft-ft" of dealing the cards out.

2 - Both my spouse and I got the Very Rare Shard Cannon (Beam Rifle) costume part. Neither of us have the Beam Rifle set, or any interest in it. This would be less troubling if it was a Rare, or Uncommon. But getting a Very Rare that we'd have to spend more Paragon Points to use was disappointing.

3 - I agree with and encourage the random packs, for the same reasons they're excellent ideas for D&D Minis, and Pathfinder Minis, and other "randomized miniature game" packs. But one of the reasons those packs "work" is that the stuff in the packs can be traded among players of the game. If I get an awesome piece that I personally don't care for, I can trade it to other players for pieces I personally would prefer.

There are three tiers in the Super Packs:
A) Stuff that can't be traded, but doesn't have any need to be. You get a lot of Windfalls, XP Bonus-ers, and Enhancement Boosters. And that's okay; virtually every player will sooner-or-later have a use for these; they might not have specifically bought them, but now that they have them, they'll probably find a use for them. You can include Reward Merits in here, too, although the sort-of can be traded, very indirectly.

B) Stuff that can be traded, with ease. The ATOs come to mind. The Reward Merits could kinda sorta go here too, because if I really want to, I can change them in for something sale-able.

c) Stuff you can't trade. Costume parts, and the wolf.

In my opinion, the problem is Category C; specifically, the problem is what's been chosen to be in Category C. I personally had no interest in the Elemental Order costume set (although I do find the gloves and backpack spiffy); my spouse, however, was head over heels for them. I now have costume parts my spouse want, which provide me neither enjoyment, nor benefit. Similarly, I have a big black wolf following me around that I'm sure others would get much more enjoyment out of than me.

It would have been much better if the items in Category C came as costume recipes (hopefully account-wide, mind you, or multiple recipes per drop). That way, if I got the wolf (...or the beam rifle, or the boots, or shoulders...), and didn't want it/them/her, I would have the option of giving, trading, or selling that item to another player, who did want it. Probably for a tidy sum of Influence. If I were that kind of person, I might then open more super packs, to get more costume parts, to sell, trade, or give to more players; every item sold on this "secondary market" still originates in a sold pack, and more profit for Paragon Studios.

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All of the above being said, thanks for the Super Packs! I think they're an excellent idea to present more new and varied content. I look forward to the next set!


 

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But how else can they get people addicted to card flipping, and make moar money by them having to buy packs and packs alone to get the costume and wolf pet?

The Packs are a cash cow. Nothing more. I, sadly, don't see them compromising on that Call me jaded. I'd still love to see the costume set offered in a bundle, even though I got lucky in the 24 pack I bought and got all the pieces.


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2 - Both my spouse and I got the Very Rare Shard Cannon (Beam Rifle) costume part. Neither of us have the Beam Rifle set, or any interest in it. This would be less troubling if it was a Rare, or Uncommon. But getting a Very Rare that we'd have to spend more Paragon Points to use was disappointing.
ARRGH!

I got the rifle too. I also am unable to use it, because I neither have nor want Beam Rifle. It should be for both Beam and Assault Rifles, and maybe even Arachnos Soldiers.


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But how else can they get people addicted to card flipping, and make moar money by them having to buy packs and packs alone to get the costume and wolf pet?
But, even if we could trade all contents of the packs amongst ourselves, all of those contents still come from packs.

If you had steadfastly refused to buy packs, you'd currently have no way to get the costume, or your wolf, and Paragon Studios wouldn't have gotten the points out of you.

But I am willing to buy packs, even more than I already have, in fact. I'm willing to trade away any (well, many) costume parts for things you have. Under my scenario, Paragon makes more in packs as I buy them, to sell the pieces inside to you. You get what you want - stuff in game, without paying RL money. I get what I want - ATOs, without getting stuck with costume parts I neither wanted nor needed. And Paragon gets what they want - more money so that they can make more whatever-Os for me, and more costume parts for you.

I see this as win-win-win.

Note, though, that you weren't steadfast, and did give in and get a "box" of packs (not that I blame you!). This speaks to the side of the argument that apparently won inside Paragon Studios - "if we don't make it available through other means, most will give in and buy the packs, anyway". Which is probably true.

I encourage you (and others who don't like buying the packs but DO like the stuff in the packs) to continue to voice that opinion, because I honestly feel it's more likely to end up with the situation I like (me being able to sell off unwanted costume parts to you).

Also note that with future packs I could easily end up on the other side of this, too, trading hungrily for costume parts I just can't seem to pull; I just don't happen to fancy the Elemental Order set.

Edit - Also, what Roderick said. Doesn't help me directly (I dislike Assault Rifle, too), but I would no longer be annoyed by getting the beam rifle; it'd be a "shrug and carry on" type detail, at that point.


 

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Call me jaded. I'd still love to see the costume set offered in a bundle, even though I got lucky in the 24 pack I bought and got all the pieces.
That's not really getting lucky, Jaded - the chances of the all costume parts dropping are weighted in favor of getting them with one 24 pack - getting lucky would be getting them all from a 12 pack, while being unlucky would be needing more than 24 to get them all.


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But how else can they get people addicted to card flipping, and make moar money by them having to buy packs and packs alone to get the costume and wolf pet?
This is the change in the paradigm now in COX. Prior to this you could always earn anything in game that could be bought. The baby seals are crying as they see the men unloading the clubs and walking their way.


The development team and this community deserved better than this from NC Soft. Best wishes on your search.

 

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This is the change in the paradigm now in COX. Prior to this you could always earn anything in game that could be bought. The baby seals are crying as they see the men unloading the clubs and walking their way.
The Magic, Science, Good Vs. Evil, and Mutant packs, plus the Pocket D VIP Pass, all disagree with you.

There's always been "pay to play" features.

You might mean powers. In which case, Ninja Run, Beast Run, Mystic Fortune, Secondary Mutation, steampunk jump-jet, and GvE Jetpack all disagree.


 

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The Magic, Science, Good Vs. Evil, and Mutant packs, plus the Pocket D VIP Pass, all disagree with you.

There's always been "pay to play" features.

You might mean powers. In which case, Ninja Run, Beast Run, Mystic Fortune, Secondary Mutation, steampunk jump-jet, and GvE Jetpack all disagree.
Don't forget the Hero Collector's Edition Power Slide.

And not trying to sound unfeeling but if a player gets something they can't use it's because they choose not to use it. It's not the devs fault if a player doesn't use a certain power set, or Archetype, or has used all of his/her character slots.

(There's already someone complaining in player questions that he can't use the AT specific enhancement's he got because he used all his character slots)

You get other stuff for those 80 points you spend on each pack.


 

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The Magic, Science, Good Vs. Evil, and Mutant packs, plus the Pocket D VIP Pass, all disagree with you.

There's always been "pay to play" features.

You might mean powers. In which case, Ninja Run, Beast Run, Mystic Fortune, Secondary Mutation, steampunk jump-jet, and GvE Jetpack all disagree.
The difference is that when you bought those you knew what you were getting and you knew how much it cost. Not the case anymore.


"You don't lose levels. You don't have equipment to wear out, repair, or lose, or that anyone can steal from you. About the only thing lighter than debt they could do is have an NPC walk by, point and laugh before you can go to the hospital or base." -Memphis_Bill
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The difference is that when you bought those you knew what you were getting and you knew how much it cost. Not the case anymore.

Yeah I guess this is the bigger point to be made regarding this deal. No worries.


The development team and this community deserved better than this from NC Soft. Best wishes on your search.

 

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The difference is that when you bought those you knew what you were getting and you knew how much it cost. Not the case anymore.
...when I spent my points, I knew exactly what I was getting. A Super Pack. And I got one. Well, 25. They behaved exactly as described.

If I bought Beast Mastery, Darkness Control, or the Gunslinger costume set, I'd know what I was buying. Admittedly, if I bought Beast Mastery, and got Blast Rifle instead, that'd be troubling - but that's not what happens when you buy packs.

(Funny story about "knowing what you're buying". I bought the Gunslinger a la carte, because I literally never make male toons. I just bought the female parts, thinking I saved myself about 40 points. Turns out now I have to buy a bunch of formerly-just-male parts, and would have saved myself a lot of headache and points by just buying the costume set (which my spouse did, because filtering for "just lady costume bits" would take too damn long).

So while everyone else rejoices at the "free" stuff that got added to the bundle they bought, I look at my 160ish points it's gonna cost me, and sigh.

So... ...there's that, for what it's worth.)


 

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The difference is that when you bought those you knew what you were getting and you knew how much it cost. Not the case anymore.
What? Are you serious? The devs never advertised that the Super Packs contained 5 random draws from a pre-determined list of items? And the Super Packs have no price listed on the market, so people don't know how much they will cost before they buy them?

If that's true then that's totally messed up, but I'd swear I not only saw a dscription on how the packs worked somewhere but I also saw player compiled lists of what they got from the packs here on the open forums. I believe I also saw that the packs were being sold for 80 points each on my market interface, but maybe that's a bug.


 

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What? Are you serious? The devs never advertised that the Super Packs contained 5 random draws from a pre-determined list of items? And the Super Packs have no price listed on the market, so people don't know how much they will cost before they buy them?

If that's true then that's totally messed up, but I'd swear I not only saw a dscription on how the packs worked somewhere but I also saw player compiled lists of what they got from the packs here on the open forums. I believe I also saw that the packs were being sold for 80 points each on my market interface, but maybe that's a bug.
You know exactly what I mean so please try to stop obfuscating if at all possible.

A person who wants the Elemental Order costume set (and is not interested in any other items available in the packs, or at least not the consumables) needs to buy X Super Packs costing $Y each in order to obtain the full set, for an effective total of $Z. Each pack contains [A,B,C,D,E]. Y is known. X and Z are not. [A,B,C,D,E] have known ranges, but the combination present in a given pack is not known. That's too many unknowns for me.

Is that clearer for you, or should I break it down into monosyllabic grunts?


"You don't lose levels. You don't have equipment to wear out, repair, or lose, or that anyone can steal from you. About the only thing lighter than debt they could do is have an NPC walk by, point and laugh before you can go to the hospital or base." -Memphis_Bill
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The difference is that when you bought those you knew what you were getting and you knew how much it cost. Not the case anymore.
Uhm each pack is 80 points. I know exactly what I am getting when I buy them...a chance to "play" the super packs and receive random rewards. Same as I know when I click on a random gold recipe using my AE tickets...I am getting a random gold recipe. So you see people KNOW what they are buying they just don't know what they will get when they open the packs...you are buying the possibility..the randomness..the surprise.


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Uhm each pack is 80 points. I know exactly what I am getting when I buy them...a chance to "play" the super packs and receive random rewards. Same as I know when I click on a random gold recipe using my AE tickets...I am getting a random gold recipe. So you see people KNOW what they are buying they just don't know what they will get when they open the packs...you are buying the possibility..the randomness..the surprise.
Yeah, and I'm not okay with "buying randomness". (In before "then don't buy them".) I have no intention of buying them, and if there were no exclusive items to the packs I'd be content to ignore them entirely, but it still bothers me that they're trying to draw people into buying them with this sort of thing. It's almost as if they know people wouldn't bother with them if there was nothing locked behind them.


"You don't lose levels. You don't have equipment to wear out, repair, or lose, or that anyone can steal from you. About the only thing lighter than debt they could do is have an NPC walk by, point and laugh before you can go to the hospital or base." -Memphis_Bill
We will honor the past, and fight to the last, it will be a good way to die...

 

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You know exactly what I mean so please try to stop obfuscating if at all possible.
Whose obfuscating things? The devs told us exactly how the packs would work long before they were added to the game, and the price for each pack is clearly posted.

The random draws in the packs are no different than spending AE tickets to get random draws, or the random draws we get when we convert Brainstorms.

Random rewards have been an established feature in this game for years.


 

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Whose obfuscating things? The devs told us exactly how the packs would work long before they were added to the game, and the price for each pack is clearly posted.

The random draws in the packs are no different than spending AE tickets to get random draws, or the random draws we get when we convert Brainstorms.

Random rewards have been an established feature in this game for years.
Would it kill you to at least read my posts?


"You don't lose levels. You don't have equipment to wear out, repair, or lose, or that anyone can steal from you. About the only thing lighter than debt they could do is have an NPC walk by, point and laugh before you can go to the hospital or base." -Memphis_Bill
We will honor the past, and fight to the last, it will be a good way to die...

 

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Would it kill you to at least read my posts?
I did read it, and I chose to ignore it because the odds of getting what you want from the packs are better than the odds trading in AE tickets and Brainstorms as far as I'm concerned. And I don't have to do any mind numbing farming to get the stuff I want.

Anything that makes playing the game less boring and less of a chore is a great idea.


 

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I did read it, and I chose to ignore it because the odds of getting what you want from the packs are better than the odds trading in AE tickets and Brainstorms as far as I'm concerned.
The odds of unlocking the Elemental Order costume set with tickets or Brainstorms is precisely zero so I don't know what on earth you're going on about.


"You don't lose levels. You don't have equipment to wear out, repair, or lose, or that anyone can steal from you. About the only thing lighter than debt they could do is have an NPC walk by, point and laugh before you can go to the hospital or base." -Memphis_Bill
We will honor the past, and fight to the last, it will be a good way to die...

 

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The odds of unlocking the Elemental Order costume set with tickets or Brainstorms is precisely zero so I don't know what on earth you're going on about.
And the chances of getting IO Salvage and IO recipes like LOTG, and dozens of others from Super Packs is precisely zero so I don't know what on earth YOU are going on about.


 

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Ah, so you've confirmed that you are not actually reading my posts.

Yeah I'm done with you.


"You don't lose levels. You don't have equipment to wear out, repair, or lose, or that anyone can steal from you. About the only thing lighter than debt they could do is have an NPC walk by, point and laugh before you can go to the hospital or base." -Memphis_Bill
We will honor the past, and fight to the last, it will be a good way to die...

 

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You keep saying that but you know I'm right. That's why you're walking away. See you want to ignore the fact that the Free and Prem accounts can't use AE tickets, and Brain Storms unless they pay extra so there is no difference between those random draws and the random draws in the Super Packs. They are still paying money for a chance to get something they want.

Heck even VIP's pay to be able to make random draws from the AE and Brain Storms cuz the licenses are included as part of our sub fees.


 

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Yeah, and I'm not okay with "buying randomness". (In before "then don't buy them".) I have no intention of buying them, and if there were no exclusive items to the packs I'd be content to ignore them entirely, but it still bothers me that they're trying to draw people into buying them with this sort of thing. It's almost as if they know people wouldn't bother with them if there was nothing locked behind them.
I don't plan on BUYING any super packs.. like every other VIP...I get a FREE monthly stipend...see there FREE
So for free I am getting a chance at all the goodies the super packs contain...enhancements, merits, costume parts, etc....

Everyone is sooo hung up on the "fact" that these cost points that they seem to forget we (VIPs) get FREE points every month...effectively meaning every month we can get 5-6 free super packs.


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I don't plan on BUYING any super packs.. like every other VIP...I get a FREE monthly stipend...see there FREE
So for free I am getting a chance at all the goodies the super packs contain...enhancements, merits, costume parts, etc....
When Issue 22 goes live we'll also have the option of using Paragon Rewards to buy Super Packs. Yet another way to get packs for free.

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Everyone is sooo hung up on the "fact" that these cost points that they seem to forget we (VIPs) get FREE points every month...effectively meaning every month we can get 5-6 free super packs.
They'll just try to argue that you pay $15 bucks a month for the stipend and Paragon Reward.


 

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And the chances of getting IO Salvage and IO recipes like LOTG, and dozens of others from Super Packs is precisely zero so I don't know what on earth YOU are going on about.
That's not entirely true. You can't get them directly, but you do get merits from them, which can buy IO recipes and salvage.