you can currently earn 9 E merits a day (more if you re-run the ones that grant 1 after the first run) so that's 60 every 7 days (or less) seems totally fair
I will agree there should be an A merit to E merit conversion, maybe 100 to 1 or so
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There are some things that it's difficult to get with 'normal' rewards that you can buy with Empyreans, like PvP IOs. And that's the only thing you should buy - for that, the effort is within a reasonable distance of the reward. Everything else is probably better obtained via another method.|
Originally Posted by _Inc__NA
Like many other VIP players, I have been actively participating in the incarnate system trials. Over the course of a few weeks I have been actively trying to save my Empyrean merits so I can cash them it at the Emp merit vendor in Ouroborus for some vary rare IO’s. So far, I have 20 merits and figured it was time to go see what I can cash them in for. Low and behold the majority of IO’s available required a 40, 50 or 60 merits for a single IO! I am astounded at the amount of trials it must take to get one of these, let alone a full set…It seems out of balance to me. I know that there is supposed to be some Dark Astoria content arriving soon that has repeatable trials (after the first one that gives 2 emp merits) to get 1 at a time, but still. It shouldn’t take months to acquire a single enhancement/recipe. I guess my question is, does anyone else feel the same way and should it be addressed?
Additionally, after checking in with multiple merit vendors, I wanted to see if I could trade in astral merits for Empyrean merits, and it appears that the trading only goes one way…which is down. Should we have the ability to trade up? Also, why is trading down from Emp to Astral a 1:1 ratio….that seems completely unfair for the time and effort put into these trials. Anyway, that is my feedback and thoughts on the matter; if I seem off-base or miss-informed, by all means please correct me. |
The trading values range from not favorable to the player to downright silly. Emp->Astral is silly. Why would you even want to do that? I mean, maybe you're one Astral short of unlocking something, I guess? It's like a giant tax on impatience.
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"It shouldn’t take [enormous effort-ed.] to acquire a single enhancement/recipe." This is ... not necessarily true. You have to consider the case where the single enhancement/recipe is the most expensive thing in the game (or one of, like, the top three). Because that's the case, I would estimate 95% of the time, that is actually happening.
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Buying recipes with empyrean merits isn't really supposed to be terribly efficient, from what I understand. It's just there so people have something to use emp merits for after they get all their incarnate powers.
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It shouldnt take months to acquire a single enhancement/recipe. I guess my question is, does anyone else feel the same way and should it be addressed?
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Considering the effort in getting a purple to drop in-game I think the prices are very fair. Especially since you're doing trials which actually make one of your toons better from incarnating as well (as opposed to farming which doesn't do crap other than maybe get a badge or 2 along with the inf and drops).
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I'm surprised by the feedback, really i am. There is no other way to getting purples other than getting a once in a blue moon drop, or your a mufti-billionaire on the market (which i am not). Though i bet most people are in this section, so maybe your view point is a little different . I can't find any other use for emp merits on some of my characters as I am nearly top tier on all my incarnate abilities on the character i wish to get purples for. |
Originally Posted by Enyalios
Considering the effort in getting a purple to drop in-game I think the prices are very fair. Especially since you're doing trials which actually make one of your toons better from incarnating as well (as opposed to farming which doesn't do crap other than maybe get a badge or 2 along with the inf and drops).
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The IO's i'm interested in are the PVP set ones also. I think the astral merit vendor is much more in line with what the emp merit vendor pricing should be in terms of time spent and risk vs reward. I think 20-30 emp merits per recipe would be a fair price point.
Yes, you can get 9 emps in a night, but that is not realistic unless you have no life and have all day trying to get into anything other than baf or lam on the most populated server. Even so, if i had spent say 5-6 hours running all of those trials, it would take me 36-40 hours of play time strictly trying to get 1 IO recipe at a time. That sounds like a ton of work.
Like one of the other posters said, emp merits are not the most efficient way of getting this. unfortunately the only "efficient" way is afk farming, or constant farming missions in game. That doesn't really seem reasonable.
You can get them with 20 or 30 Hero Merits
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For the record "purple" is not the official term for those recipes. Let me reword that for you, so that it's phrased correctly.|
Originally Posted by _Inc__NA
There is no other way to getting purples other than getting a once in a blue moon drop
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I've always wondered why the breakdown values on some things were so awful. I think the worst is breaking down a very rare component into threads. You get like 20 of them if I remember correctly?
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Originally Posted by Egos_Shadow
The trading values range from not favorable to the player to downright silly. Emp->Astral is silly. Why would you even want to do that? I mean, maybe you're one Astral short of unlocking something, I guess? It's like a giant tax on impatience.
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Or a notice of the well breaks down into 4-6 shards but 20 threads O.o. lol I thought threads were more valuable then shards.
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Originally Posted by firespray
I've always wondered why the breakdown values on some things were so awful. I think the worst is breaking down a very rare component into threads. You get like 20 of them if I remember correctly?
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Originally Posted by _Inc__NA
I'm surprised by the feedback, really i am. There is no other way to getting purples other than getting a once in a blue moon drop, or your a mufti-billionaire on the market (which i am not). Though i bet most people are in this section, so maybe your view point is a little different . I can't find any other use for emp merits on some of my characters as I am nearly top tier on all my incarnate abilities on the character i wish to get purples for.
The IO's i'm interested in are the PVP set ones also. I think the astral merit vendor is much more in line with what the emp merit vendor pricing should be in terms of time spent and risk vs reward. I think 20-30 emp merits per recipe would be a fair price point. Yes, you can get 9 emps in a night, but that is not realistic unless you have no life and have all day trying to get into anything other than baf or lam on the most populated server. Even so, if i had spent say 5-6 hours running all of those trials, it would take me 36-40 hours of play time strictly trying to get 1 IO recipe at a time. That sounds like a ton of work. Like one of the other posters said, emp merits are not the most efficient way of getting this. unfortunately the only "efficient" way is afk farming, or constant farming missions in game. That doesn't really seem reasonable. |
I've had long droughts of no purple drops, weeks at a time. Then there are times, like Sunday where I got two on the same day. Some may consider the Emp to purple exchange to be excessive, but IMO it's easier to mow down 50s until you either get the one you want or get enough loot to sell and be able to afford what you want.
In the case of PvP recipes, I am currently saving Emps to get a Glad Armor proc. I started saving up about 1.5 months ago, some days I run iTrials, some days I don't, other times I run iTrials with other toons. I'm up to 43 Emps atm. Even if it takes me another 1.5 months to get the remaining 17 Emps, I'd much rather have spent 3 months of running iTrials to get enough EMps to purchase exactly what I want and at the level I want it, than to have to spend God knows how long engaging in the PvP system, especially with the rare drop rates and ridiculous cool down timer.
Who do I have to *&^% around here to get more Targeted AoE recipes added?
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These are meant to be VERY RARE recipes. they are SUPPOSED to be hard to get. That does actually seem reasonable. Be glad it's not a couple of years ago when the ONLY way to get them was to farm. There are no MULTIPLE ways to get them, which have nothing to do with the RNG.
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Like one of the other posters said, emp merits are not the most efficient way of getting this. unfortunately the only "efficient" way is afk farming, or constant farming missions in game. That doesn't really seem reasonable. |
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This is the problem with the system in my opinion. Most people in game are not patient, and would rather farm this or that for an item, rather than just playing the game and eventually it coming to you.
Don't AFK farm for a PvP IO... go engage in PvP, the way its meant to be earned. Who cares if it takes forever, its a challenge. Like a previous poster said, don't want to shell out 500 mil on a very rare recipe? Go to a high level zone street sweeping or run a few story arcs full of enemies that could potential a) drop the recipe you want, or b) drop a recipe of greater value you can sell.
Better yet, work the market... play THAT game, seeing as its a game in itself. Buy cheap recipes that sell for much more crafted, and flip them till you get the money you need.
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Don't AFK farm for a PvP IO... go engage in PvP, the way its meant to be earned. Who cares if it takes forever, its a challenge. Like .
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1)Players who are good/making an effort in PvP try to evade, in other words not die...which reduces your chances of getting a drop;
2)Rep timer means you need to cycle through a lot targets to get a very small chance at a drop.
You really do need to farm them or farm pve to get them.
In the last ladder, WARE.gov got hundreds of kills (top team in ladder) and got maybe one drop. Our own team got one, and this is playing dozens upon dozens of matches and practices. Bleh.
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Neuronia is right. Gaining PvP IO's via kills is ridiculous. Actual PvPers turned to farming a long long time ago.
If you want to have the kind of cash that the people on this forum have, the best way is to play the market. And the best way to play the market is to be patient. Find out what recipes are high demand/low supply, put out as many lowball bids as you can, and wait a few weeks. Reel in what you get, craft and relist for much higher, and wait again. Do that for a month or two and you'll hit a billion before you know it.
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Where did you get that idea? Threads drop like rain compared to Shards. It takes 4 Shards to make a common component and 20 Threads to do the same.
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Or a notice of the well breaks down into 4-6 shards but 20 threads O.o. lol I thought threads were more valuable then shards.
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Like many other VIP players, I have been actively participating in the incarnate system trials. Over the course of a few weeks I have been actively trying to save my Empyrean merits so I can cash them it at the Emp merit vendor in Ouroborus for some vary rare IOs. So far, I have 20 merits and figured it was time to go see what I can cash them in for. Low and behold the majority of IOs available required a 40, 50 or 60 merits for a single IO! I am astounded at the amount of trials it must take to get one of these, let alone a full set It seems out of balance to me. I know that there is supposed to be some Dark Astoria content arriving soon that has repeatable trials (after the first one that gives 2 emp merits) to get 1 at a time, but still. It shouldnt take months to acquire a single enhancement/recipe. I guess my question is, does anyone else feel the same way and should it be addressed?
Additionally, after checking in with multiple merit vendors, I wanted to see if I could trade in astral merits for Empyrean merits, and it appears that the trading only goes one way which is down. Should we have the ability to trade up? Also, why is trading down from Emp to Astral a 1:1 ratio .that seems completely unfair for the time and effort put into these trials.
Anyway, that is my feedback and thoughts on the matter; if I seem off-base or miss-informed, by all means please correct me.