I have 2 questions . . .

For the length of the actual Praetorian content from Nova Praetoria to Imperial City to Neutropolis, they break down a bit like this:

Resistance Wardens: Idealists and dreamers.
Resistance Crusaders: ********.
Loyalist Responsibility: Jaded jerks.
Loyalist Power: "You magnificent ******* I read your book!"

After that, in First Ward, they tend to break down like this:

Resistance Wardens: MIA.
Resistance Crusaders: ********.
Loyalists Responsibility: MIA.
Loyalist Power: MIA.

Essentially, in the original Praetorian content, the Wardens are the good guys and everyone else is the bad guy, and in First Ward, everyone is the bad guy, including the player, ultimately.

Originally Posted by Arcanaville Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.

I would argue the Responsibility are gooder than the Wardens.

"Good? Bad? I'm the guy with the gun."

I would disagree. Unless your idea of being more good, is that Wardens are trying to stop injustices, while the Responsibility are trying to uphold the law of the land...which includes kidnapping people and stuffing them into boxes to protect the other citizens, making people drink a chemical designed to make the populace controlable by the Cole and his group.

I think it might be the reverse - Hamidon Trial, then Tyrant Trial as the climax - or, as Tyrant has had a mental link with the Hamidon before, they could both be in the same Trial as allies, as our arrival on Praetorian Earth spells the end for both of them, so they might decide to team up to try and save their two empires.

Yes - a very good and exciting one.

One of the more annoying quotes from OWK. Why not just say, "Hey, we had no idea there would be a sequel, and it was too tempting to pass up the shock value. Oh, by the way, sorry about the sister business, too; we would not have had you lip-locking had we known that's what Lucas would decide there, either."

Of course, when OWK says "everything" is true, bear in mind his other famous line, "Only a Sith speaks in absolutes."

Noope. Chuck Testa.

I think you have Tyrant all wrong, which I'm going to attribute to "Hamidon Soloing Envy."


It's been made clear to us now that he really had no other choice but to bite the bullet and become a strict dictator in order to get Praetorian Hami off his back. His record (according to PWiki) before becoming the Uber God of the Multiverse was pretty clean, selfless even. He had to look tough so that Hamidon would chill out on his "I are killz everything" quest- Could you imagine soloing a Hami Raid every day? Tyrant got tired, and you can't blame him. I think that with Statesman kicking the bucket, it's going to become more clear that Tyrant did what he had to do in order to preserve the lives of his people for as long as he could, and you'll have to apologize for all the mean stuff you've said about him.

Well, that's always the trick isn't it, when law and good are in opposition. It's incredibly easy for even basically good people to rationalize away evil actions because they prioritize obedience to the law over doing good, or because overthrowing the law would cause significant short-term pain to society.

I'm talking in terms of writing. The Wardens are the "do the right thing, feel good about it" type that's material for being a good guy. The rest kind of can be argued to be good, but it's more morally grey. And the Crusaders are jerkasses, but that's a given. Moreover, you just don't get that in the First Ward. The Resistance are ********, the Praetorians are dickheads, the locals are mean and there's a crab flying through the skies.

Originally Posted by Arcanaville Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.

Praetorian Stefan Richter might disagree with that view

+1 for the Patton reference.

He might, but if he was going to become Lord Praecluse one could argue it was for the best anyway.

See: Hamidon soloing envy.

Well, Tyrant's doing a pretty good Recluse tribute act - cleaner streets are about the only major difference between their two dictatorships

Not really.

With Arachnos, you can get away with beating up Lord Recluse's legions and even time travel to the future, kill Recluse himself, come back, and threaten him with his helmet.

Tyrant on the other hand would not be pleased with either.

Seems like a pretty low success rate then

Praetoria features:

A power-crazed Incarnate ruling with an iron first over a group of islands from his huge tower.

An inner circle of very powerful, very dangerous and very evil villains with their own agendas and plots.

A network of female psychics recruited at a young age to serve the dictator.

A corrupt and thuggish police force.

A "survival of the fittest" doctrine amongst the playable section of the governing organization, with betrayal, double-crossing and brute force as acceptable ways of advancing through the ranks.

A mad scientific genius operating semi-independently form his own personal power base.

A failed super soldier experiment based on genetic modification, with the results left to roam beneath the streets.

Intense and open rivalries between the various sub-groups of the ruling organization that frequently spill over into violence.

The widespread and frequent use of torture by the security forces.

A tightly controlled media, with any journalists who step out of line being targeted by the dictatorship.

Teachers who step out of line are also targeted by the dictatorship.


But at least the streets are cleaner than in the Rogue Isles.

Don't you know by now? That's her schtick.

--NT