SG invites with out anybody logged on
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Posted on: 2012-01-04 16:21 in Suggestions and Ideas
The devs have flat out told us just after Freedom launched that this will not happen SG's are intended to be social groups not solo groups.
They also said if they were to add a feature that allowed SG invites to be sent via email they would deliberately design it so we could not send invites to our own characters.
What Forbin said...
However, there are people here on the forums (especially the Base Constructionforum) who will gladly make up a throwaway character you can invite to your SG, who will then add your alts.
I would be happy to do this for you if you want to set it up for this evening.
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And don't let this discourage you from posting future suggestions. While the devs are against this idea you aren't alone in wanting it. We aren't shooting this down, they are.
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Originally Posted by ShaylaDominatrix
I would love to be able to invite any of my character to an SG that I belong to but My SG have become some what inactive, Meaning very few people still play that had or have characters in the SG. The base is a decent one and I would love to have one or two of my present characters invited to it. But the only person that can do that has not been on for quite some time. And getting some body else invited is hard enough.
It could be done through the in game e-mail system. We can send In game money (Inf) to any of of our other characters on our account even if they are on a different server, I simple drop down box or something can be sent and you could per-arrange to have that character start at the base level or be all the way up to Asst leader. I Know this has been mentioned before but I can not find where it was at. |
Question, what's stoping you from:
- Create a F2P or Premium account
- Dual-box (Run 2 copies of CoH, one for your main account, one for the F2P/Premium)
- Invite the F2P/Premium into the SG
- Elevate their privs (if that's what you need to do) to be able to invite
- Invite an alternate toon on your main account into the SG?
Does it accomplish what you want for minimal/no cost? Yup!
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This is something I fully support and have always wanted. (As my sig block shows)
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F2P accounts can't join SG's.|
Originally Posted by Hyperstrike
Question, what's stoping you from:
Does it accomplish what you want for minimal/no cost? Yup! |
Premium accounts can't join SG's until they earn 2 reward tokens because SG access is a 2nd tier paragon reward.
Reward tokens can be acquired on Premium accounts by purchasing Paragon Points, So in order to get enough tokens to unlock SG access a player must spend $30 bucks because you get 1 reward token for every 1200 points purchased.
Hardly minimal/no cost.
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An account gets an extra reward token with its first points purchase.|
Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
F2P accounts can't join SG's.
Premium accounts can't join SG's until they earn 2 reward tokens because SG access is a 2nd tier paragon reward. Reward tokens can be acquired on Premium accounts by purchasing Paragon Points, So in order to get enough tokens to unlock SG access a player must spend $30 bucks because you get 1 reward token for every 1200 points purchased. Hardly minimal/no cost. |
You're still right in principle, but the investment is $15, not $30.
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I'm totally behind this idea. There are times when my other SG mates aren't online for weeks at a time, if not more. Players should be able to invite their own alts to an SG, as long as the SG settings are so that any rank can invite. (if that makes any sense ... it did in my head)
The Devs are wrong on this issue, and this should be in the game.
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Thank you for correcting me, I was not aware of the extra token.
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Originally Posted by Doctor Roswell
An account gets an extra reward token with its first points purchase.
You're still right in principle, but the investment is $15, not $30. |
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The other option is a $15 1 month time card which turns the account VIP for 30 days and gives them unlimited access, though ultimately, the $15 in PP would be a better investment.|
Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
Thank you for correcting me, I was not aware of the extra token.
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Honestly, $15, while not "trivial", is a minimal one-time investment. It's a single movie ticket nowadays.
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Sadly this is something the SGs have been after for years and as Forbin mentioned the Devs seem dead set against. The interesting thing is back when the lowered the cost of base items a lot of solo SGs sprung up or ones with only a handful of members. Interesting that they made it possible for one person to have an exclusive SG but can't come up with a way to make sg invites easier
Myself I have dual accounts, I have for some time and both are vip, so I simply log both on and invite the new character to the appropriate sg.
There is always the "OLD" option.. Find anyone that doesnt belong to an SG and ask them to assist you. Invite them to your sg and set them up to invite.. this can be as simply as setting the controls so the lowest level can invite and guards against anyone getting into your base and doing things you don't want done. Then log on your new character and let that person invite you. Afterwards you can either wait for them to quit or simply kick them from the SG. If they are doing you a favor remember to say thanks and IF you can afford it a nice tip would be in order.. back then handing a player a million in cash or even less was fantastic.. now its a small amount lol
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They are. There are very few problems we can actually blame on a particular person, but Matt Miller deserves the heat for this one. He said - in his own words, on live Ustream - that offline SG invites probably won't happen because Super Groups are for groups of people and being able to invite your own characters would be counter to that idea. I may be paraphrasing the wording, but the point is "SGs are for groups."|
Originally Posted by Aett_Thorn
The Devs are wrong on this issue, and this should be in the game.
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I believe this is wrong-headed and limiting in a way that the game really doesn't need. Forcing people to find other people to get their invites doesn't foster community, it fosters looking for loopholes and resenting the community as a necessary evil, rather than an asset.
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.
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Absolutely. I see where Posi's coming from, I really do, but you can't force anyone to make friends. In a lot of cases, his approach just makes people bitter toward the other players they were "required" to involve, and on top of that, it doesn't prevent the behavior anyway.|
Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
I believe this is wrong-headed and limiting in a way that the game really doesn't need. Forcing people to find other people to get their invites doesn't foster community, it fosters looking for loopholes and resenting the community as a necessary evil, rather than an asset.
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The system didn't collapse when they finally allowed us to transfer inf to ourselves without calling in another person; it wouldn't collapse if they let us invite ourselves to SGs, either.
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Actually, the minimal purchase on the P-market is $5 for 400 points. That is all a (new) Free account needs to spend. |
Originally Posted by Hyperstrike
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Honestly, $15, while not "trivial", is a minimal one-time investment. It's a single movie ticket nowadays. |
It gets them a total of 2 tokens, which allows SG invitation and a few more chat privileges.
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A $5 purchase gets you that "first-time purchase" token, but it doesn't get you the "$15 spent" token. In order to get two tokens, you have to spend a minimum of $15.
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Originally Posted by Impish Kat
Actually, the minimal purchase on the P-market is $5 for 400 points. That is all a (new) Free account needs to spend.
It gets them a total of 2 tokens, which allows SG invitation and a few more chat privileges. . |
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As I understand it, any new account automatically gets one Reward Token.|
Originally Posted by Doctor Roswell
A $5 purchase gets you that "first-time purchase" token, but it doesn't get you the "$15 spent" token. In order to get two tokens, you have to spend a minimum of $15.
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The (first time) $5 purchase will grant a second Reward Token.
At least, that's how it's worked for one of my SG mates, who started with a Free account.
Perhaps you are thinking of a Preem account.
A Preem account is one that has already put money into the game (but is not currently "subbed"). As such, their subsequent purchases would need to be $15 to get the extra Reward Token.
Since the suggestion was to create a NEW Free account and use it just for the purpose of SG invites... The financial cost of doing this should only be $5.
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Didn't work that way for my free account. I bought the VIP kit the last time it went on sale for $1.99 and applied it to one of my free accounts. I got 1 token for buying something from the store and when my 30 days ended I got a second token for the account being active for 1 month.|
Originally Posted by Impish Kat
As I understand it, any new account automatically gets one Reward Token.
The (first time) $5 purchase will grant a second Reward Token. At least, that's how it's worked for one of my SG mates, who started with a Free account. Perhaps you are thinking of a Preem account. A Preem account is one that has already put money into the game (but is not currently "subbed"). As such, their subsequent purchases would need to be $15 to get the extra Reward Token. Since the suggestion was to create a NEW Free account and use it just for the purpose of SG invites... The financial cost of doing this should only be $5. . |
The only reason I got the second token was because the account was VIP for 1 month.
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Well, that is puzzling.|
Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
Didn't work that way for my free account. I bought the VIP kit the last time it went on sale for $1.99 and applied it to one of my free accounts. I got 1 token for buying something from the store and when my 30 days ended I got a second token for the account being active for 1 month.
The only reason I got the second token was because the account was VIP for 1 month. |
I'll double check with the guy, but I'm pretty certain he never "subbed". Just spent $5 on points to acquire the 2nd Token.
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Unwanted unneeded restriction for no reason other than he "Posi" wants it to be this way. Once again the devs relying on the brilliance of "their" view of how things should be vs the practical reality of the players dealing with the issue directly....Brilliant.
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Originally Posted by Doctor Roswell
Absolutely. I see where Posi's coming from, I really do, but you can't force anyone to make friends. In a lot of cases, his approach just makes people bitter toward the other players they were "required" to involve, and on top of that, it doesn't prevent the behavior anyway.
The system didn't collapse when they finally allowed us to transfer inf to ourselves without calling in another person; it wouldn't collapse if they let us invite ourselves to SGs, either. |
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Agreed.
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Originally Posted by Aett_Thorn
The Devs are wrong on this issue, and this should be in the game.
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You do realize that that is how all games work, right? The devs in every game make decisions based on how "THEY" want the game to work, then they look at player input and add things the players want as long as it doesn't conflict with how they want the game they developed to work.|
Originally Posted by Darth_Khasei
Unwanted unneeded restriction for no reason other than he "Posi" wants it to be this way. Once again the devs relying on the brilliance of "their" view of how things should be vs the practical reality of the players dealing with the issue directly....Brilliant.
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We are lucky to have devs as lenient as they are. I've played in MMO's where players are required, REQUIRED to recruit other players before they can even form an SG/Guild/Fleet. Those other games cram forced socialization down your throat and you don't get half the cool stuff we get access to when we create our SG's.
Still hoping the devs will change their minds on this tho.
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Me too. One of the mantras that came out of the November summit (both before and after Posi's comment on solo bases) was "If enough players express an interest in something we will listen and try to deliver". So I figure it doesn't hurt to keep asking. I think that one reason we will eventually see things like revamped zones (e.g., what's coming for Dark Astoria) ... is that lots of players requested that.|
Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
Still hoping the devs will change their minds on this tho.
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FWIW here's what I read into Posi's comments: Bases act like instanced missions and if "everyone (or too many folks)" makes a base with just themselves and their alts it could present server load problems.
What gets me with that reasoning is: Ok but you did reduce pricing and, at the same time, eliminated SG unique activities and rewards (there really aren't many advantages to being in a multi person SG... other than social; which can be had by other means such as global channels). What were you expecting to happen if it wasn't a rise in solo bases? Also, today lots of the bigger SGs have oodles of prestige and nothing to spend it on.
Bottomline is offline SG invites should happen anyway.
One man's terrorist is another man's freedom (or freem?) fighter; just as one man's exploit is another man's feature.
I would love to be able to invite any of my character to an SG that I belong to but My SG have become some what inactive, Meaning very few people still play that had or have characters in the SG. The base is a decent one and I would love to have one or two of my present characters invited to it. But the only person that can do that has not been on for quite some time. And getting some body else invited is hard enough.
It could be done through the in game e-mail system. We can send In game money (Inf) to any of of our other characters on our account even if they are on a different server, I simple drop down box or something can be sent and you could per-arrange to have that character start at the base level or be all the way up to Asst leader. I Know this has been mentioned before but I can not find where it was at.
Now called Madame Shayla:
Main Characters on my main server (Victory)
Goddess of Justice Tanker Incarnate (Hero) Collen Colt Incarnate (Bane Hero), Lady Kitten (Hero) Jen Titanium Mage (Hero and one time Villain) and my first Character to level 50 Shayla Master Mind (Villain)