Another Step Closer to Living Androids
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Posted on: 2012-01-04 15:40 in Comic and Hero-Villain Culture
Why do they have to use natural skin and hair colors. Using green or blue skin would be able to differentiate that these androids are androids. Data had the perfect skin and eye colour. You knew that Data was not human, but he looked human enough that it didn't take much to get used to him. Hand and Head accessories are also a possibility, but they might end up as fashion accessories for teens and young adults.
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Uncanny Vaaaaaaalley!
I wonder how many of his responses were programmed and such. The whole 'God' think could either be a tongue-in-cheek thing or rather worrying.
I mean, humanity as gods? That spells BAD in big letters to me...
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Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha
Uncanny Vaaaaaaalley!
I wonder how many of his responses were programmed and such. The whole 'God' think could either be a tongue-in-cheek thing or rather worrying. I mean, humanity as gods? That spells BAD in big letters to me... |
There is an art, or, rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss. --The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy
Once AI becomes advanced enough that we seriously have to question whether or not it has become independently sentient then we'll have to come to grips with our own divinity as (big 'C') Creators. More important than whether or not we can call ourselves gods is how we'll relate to our new creations - will we harmoniously accept these creations as equals or will we desperately try to maintain some kind of mastery over them and keep them relegated to second class slave-like lifeforms?
Basically we'll eventually have to deal with a pivotal point in history when we'll be faced with a choice of having to accept them as equals or not. How we'll handle that will determine whether we have a happy future or one more like that portrayed in movies like The Terminator or I, Robot.
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No fembots yet? For shame Science, for shame... It's 2012 already! Get on the ball! Quit with the baldness and impotence cures and do some real SCIENCE! for once...
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Well if a guy wants to have fun with the fembots they are going to have to make sure the impotence cures still work. But since the fembots could easily be programmed to like balding men I'd agree that line of research is probably not going to be necessary in the long run. |
Originally Posted by Dark One
No fembots yet? For shame Science, for shame... It's 2012 already! Get on the ball! Quit with the baldness and impotence cures and do some real SCIENCE! for once...
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In other words, "never" - a machine is still a a machine, no matter how fancy the software is |
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Once AI becomes advanced enough
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How many cures are needed? We've got enough, at least according to the spam emails every person on the planet gets multiple times a day.|
Originally Posted by Lothic
Well if a guy wants to have fun with the fembots they are going to have to make sure the impotence cures still work. But since the fembots could easily be programmed to like balding men I'd agree that line of research is probably not going to be necessary in the long run.
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Besides, you stop with the "Honey Do" lists, in-laws, and the like and I'd imagine most of those problems would disappear on their own.
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I wonder how many of his responses were programmed and such.
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Originally Posted by Dark One
No fembots yet? For shame Science, for shame... It's 2012 already! Get on the ball! Quit with the baldness and impotence cures and do some real SCIENCE! for once...
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In other words, "never" - a machine is still a a machine, no matter how fancy the software is
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After that though I suspect your thoughts on this will be dismissed like these little historical gems of supposed wisdom.
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You go right on believing that - I'm sure that kind of mindset will be reasonable for at least a few more decades.
After that though I suspect your thoughts on this will be dismissed like these little historical gems of supposed wisdom. |
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Computers can never, ever be living creatures - they'll always just be tools for humans to use, upgrade or throw away as required.|
Originally Posted by Lothic
You go right on believing that - I'm sure that kind of mindset will be reasonable for at least a few more decades.
After that though I suspect your thoughts on this will be dismissed like these little historical gems of supposed wisdom. |
A machine can never have emotions or original thoughts - they'll always be souless devices, even the novelty ones made for the sci-fi freak market.
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One could also say that the difference between yourself and a single celled organism is also not enough to justify attributing personhood upon you. I don't know about anyone else, but the reasons I use to recognize someone else as a person do not include "must be an organic life form and belong to my own species".|
Originally Posted by Golden Girl
Computers can never, ever be living creatures - they'll always just be tools for humans to use, upgrade or throw away as required.
A machine can never have emotions or original thoughts - they'll always be souless devices, even the novelty ones made for the sci-fi freak market. |
Your rigid and dogmatic approach to a concept that's barely coming over the horizon is no way to grow as a person. You'd do well to open your mind to greater possibilities, or else you may find yourself committing the same kinds of attrocities we as humans committed on ourselves not too long ago (and in a lot of ways, we still are).
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Originally Posted by Lothic
You go right on believing that - I'm sure that kind of mindset will be reasonable for at least a few more decades.
After that though I suspect your thoughts on this will be dismissed like these little historical gems of supposed wisdom. |
Whats-her-name, on the other hand...
Alan Turing had an answer to the soul argument against thinking machines (sorry, this will probably be long):
"Thinking is a function of man's immortal soul. God has given an immortal soul to every man and woman, but not to any other animal or to machines. Hence no animal or machine can think.
I am unable to accept any part of this, but will attempt to reply in theological terms. I should find the argument more convincing if animals were classed with men, for there is a greater difference, to my mind, between the typical animate and the inanimate than there is between man and the other animals. The arbitrary character of the orthodox view becomes clearer if we consider how it might appear to a member of some other religious community. How do Christians regard the Moslem view that women have no souls? But let us leave this point aside and return to the main argument. It appears to me that the argument quoted above implies a serious restriction of the omnipotence of the Almighty. It is admitted that there are certain things that He cannot do such as making one equal to two, but should we not believe that He has freedom to confer a soul on an elephant if He sees fit? We might expect that He would only exercise this power in conjunction with a mutation which provided the elephant with an appropriately improved brain to minister to the needs of this sort[. An argument of exactly similar form may be made for the case of machines. It may seem different because it is more difficult to "swallow." But this really only means that we think it would be less likely that He would consider the circumstances suitable for conferring a soul. The circumstances in question are discussed in the rest of this paper. In attempting to construct such machines we should not be irreverently usurping His power of creating souls, any more than we are in the procreation of children: rather we are, in either case, instruments of His will providing .mansions for the souls that He creates.
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One could also say that the difference between yourself and a single celled organism is also not enough to justify attributing personhood upon you. I don't know about anyone else, but the reasons I use to recognize someone else as a person do not include "must be an organic life form and belong to my own species".
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Sentient robots are on the same scale of reality as elves and dwarfs and other fairytale creatures, which is what they replaced when science started playing a bigger role in stories than magic.
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All this talk about the potential discovery of advanced intelligence and sentience and the importance that it could mean...
And I tend to think of how it could/should point to the unimportance of it.
Sentience/shmentience... eat some food, lookit the stars, grow up, die, blah blah blah. 
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and round up everyone that knows more than they do"-Dylan
and round up everyone that knows more than they do"-Dylan
Just waiting for the discrimination caused by sentience. We have to eventually replace Human Rights with Sentience Rights and it can be argued that some humans aren't sentient.
My view on the criteria for sentience are self-awareness, able to form an original thought, and has its own belief system. If something doesn't have those three things, then it is not sentient IMO.
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