Doctor Who: The Doctor, the Widow and the Wardrobe
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Posted on: 2011-12-25 13:17 in Comic and Hero-Villain Culture
Finally got to see this last night. Yeah, I wept a little and enjoyed the lighter tone to it. Although I don't think this Doctor can do anger very well, he is superb at being a daft loon especially when it comes to kids. Loved the tour of the house.
Not quite as good as The Next Doctor or End of Time, I found the resolution a little swift, the fate of the forrest seemed to come too rapidly with little explanation of what had happened to them. But the King and Queen sent off my pagan spidey sense terribly. 
And IIRC, Time Lords can withstand the vacuum of space for a few minutes. I couldn't quite remember the references though so thank you.
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Originally Posted by Durakken
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Originally Posted by Magus_Prime
Ummm... How old were you when you wrote this? Aside from being a run-on sentence, it lacks any cohesion or coherence.
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The effects of space are actually exaggerated quite a bit by TV and Films.
Humans can actually survive in space for as long as it takes them to suffocate, which I think is about three minutes iirc.
Now, it won't be a pleasant experience, there'll be swelling everywhere and stuff, but you don't explode or freeze or die instantly.
In fact, the biggest threat is from sunlight, since you don't have the Earth's atmosphere to protect you.
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Sorta... You actually boil to death. I don't remember the exact reason but it has to do with pressure and oxygen and your blood along with the pressurization. It's one of the reason that NASA tests for lung capacity... because someone with large lung capacity can last longer in emergencies than those with lower.|
Originally Posted by Zikar
The effects of space are actually exaggerated quite a bit by TV and Films.
Humans can actually survive in space for as long as it takes them to suffocate, which I think is about three minutes iirc. Now, it won't be a pleasant experience, there'll be swelling everywhere and stuff, but you don't explode or freeze or die instantly. In fact, the biggest threat is from sunlight, since you don't have the Earth's atmosphere to protect you. |
You also pass out and get a drunk effect if you can maintain consciousness for that long...
The reason you don't freeze to death like people think is that there is nothing out in space so your body heat radiates out and then pretty much just sits there as long as you don't move... So the heat around you is a comfortable room temperature ^.^
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I don't think you're remembering the episode correctly, I'm pretty sure this never happened. He and Martha opened the windows to the hospital, but they only survived because the hospital was surrounded by a pocket of atmosphere. Also, he needed a suit just to walk on Mars (Waters of Mars).
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Originally Posted by SuperOz
You forget the episode where 10 met Martha for the first time and he walked on the surface of the moon with no special equipment.
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He can't survive indeffinitly without oxygen, he just has a longer grace period than humans.
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I lol'd.
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There's something to be said about keeping the Christmas specials light, so that was expected especially with Moffet. However, the this episode just seems to be phoned in. It had some moments, but most of that was overshadowed by predictable plots. I don't know, it feels like they didn't really try that hard and only did it to squeeze an episode in for Christmas.
Making matters worse the regular season is not set to start until the fall...yikes that's a lot of time to wait for more Who goodness.
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At least I'll have the momentarily soothing balm of Smaug vs. Moriarty starting January 1st.
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Originally Posted by Loki120
Making matters worse the regular season is not set to start until the fall...yikes that's a lot of time to wait for more Who goodness.
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Goodbye may seem forever
Farewell is like the end
But in my heart's the memory
And there you'll always be
-- The Fox and the Hound
I didn't enjoy it as much as past Christmas Specials. BUT I did like the ending of the story itself and I really liked the ending with Amy and Rory. I'm really going to miss them, but can't wait to see how their story ends.
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Wow, you couldn't be more wrong if capatain wrong hit you with the wronghammer of wrongness. But since it's pointless arguing with you I'll just say, try doing the research again. And actually read it this time.
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Originally Posted by Durakken
Sorta... You actually boil to death. I don't remember the exact reason but it has to do with pressure and oxygen and your blood along with the pressurization. It's one of the reason that NASA tests for lung capacity... because someone with large lung capacity can last longer in emergencies than those with lower.
You also pass out and get a drunk effect if you can maintain consciousness for that long... The reason you don't freeze to death like people think is that there is nothing out in space so your body heat radiates out and then pretty much just sits there as long as you don't move... So the heat around you is a comfortable room temperature ^.^ |
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He's not far off about the body heat thing, apparently, but the boiling blood thing is wrong. And it appears that holding one's breath is generally a bad idea, making lung capacity kind of irrelevant.
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Originally Posted by Mandu
Wow, you couldn't be more wrong if capatain wrong hit you with the wronghammer of wrongness. But since it's pointless arguing with you I'll just say, try doing the research again. And actually read it this time.
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Goodbye may seem forever
Farewell is like the end
But in my heart's the memory
And there you'll always be
-- The Fox and the Hound
Well, the sweat on you will boil, but not in a heat kind of way, but because of pressure. So you won't burn because of that.
He's right about the heat, vacuum does not transmit heat well at all, that's why Thermos flasks have an area of vacuum in them, you'll be dead long before enough heat has radiated away from you for you to die.
The biggest problem on space ships is cooling, not heating.
As I said, the biggest problem is the sun, you'd likely be cooked dead by totally unblocked UV radiation (plus general heat)... or you might suffocate first, no one's ever tried to find out.
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At least three guys (accidentally) made a really good attempt at finding out though. During testing for space suits NASA had a few serious suit failures. One guy, who, IIR required CPR to revive, was in the chamber without air for 2 minutes. He passed out after 15 seconds or so. He did survive with no long term ill effects and reported no serious pain during the experience. He reported the strange sensation of his saliva boiling on his tongue as being the last sensation he recalled.
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Originally Posted by Zikar
Well, the sweat on you will boil, but not in a heat kind of way, but because of pressure. So you won't burn because of that.
He's right about the heat, vacuum does not transmit heat well at all, that's why Thermos flasks have an area of vacuum in them, you'll be dead long before enough heat has radiated away from you for you to die. The biggest problem on space ships is cooling, not heating. As I said, the biggest problem is the sun, you'd likely be cooked dead by totally unblocked UV radiation (plus general heat)... or you might suffocate first, no one's ever tried to find out. |
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I believe it was the second story with Doctor #5 in it. The TARDIS had ended up just outside of the ship they were on, and the Doctor needed to get to it and pilot it back in. They had one full suit (for Adric) and one helmet (which the Doctor used). He made a comment about it then.|
Originally Posted by Dante
And IIRC, Time Lords can withstand the vacuum of space for a few minutes. I couldn't quite remember the references though so thank you.
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Originally Posted by Zikar
Several times in the classic series the Doctor has been show to be able to survive space without to many ill effects, most notably in Four to Doomsday, where the 5th Doctor went from a spaceship to the TARDIS with only a helmet on.
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But the lack of loss of temperature has nothing to do with heat radiating out from your body and then just forming a room temperature pocket around you. Nothing even remotely like that occurs. It's just that a vacuum is the worse possible conductor of heat because there is no substance touching your body that can absorb the heat energy. So the only loss is direct thermal radiation.
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Originally Posted by Tenzhi
He's not far off about the body heat thing, apparently, but the boiling blood thing is wrong. And it appears that holding one's breath is generally a bad idea, making lung capacity kind of irrelevant.
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You could say that magical space fairies prevent the loss of body heat with their powers of discomancy and I'd say it's "not far off" because it describes the same end result - not freezing to death with any sort of immediacy.
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Originally Posted by Mandu
But the lack of loss of temperature has nothing to do with heat radiating out from your body and then just forming a room temperature pocket around you. Nothing even remotely like that occurs. It's just that a vacuum is the worse possible conductor of heat because there is no substance touching your body that can absorb the heat energy. So the only loss is direct thermal radiation.
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Goodbye may seem forever
Farewell is like the end
But in my heart's the memory
And there you'll always be
-- The Fox and the Hound
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save for the whole space isn't actually a vacuum thing...
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Originally Posted by Mandu
But the lack of loss of temperature has nothing to do with heat radiating out from your body and then just forming a room temperature pocket around you. Nothing even remotely like that occurs. It's just that a vacuum is the worse possible conductor of heat because there is no substance touching your body that can absorb the heat energy. So the only loss is direct thermal radiation.
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It is within the meaningful boundaries of *this* discussion. And most other discussions, for that matter. It may not be a perfect vacuum, but I believe it's the closest thing to it we've encountered in the universe. The vacuum-ness of any other vacuums will have to be judged against it, for it is the current reigning king of vacuum-ness.
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Originally Posted by Durakken
save for the whole space isn't actually a vacuum thing...
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Goodbye may seem forever
Farewell is like the end
But in my heart's the memory
And there you'll always be
-- The Fox and the Hound
So I watched it with my dad last night and we both enjoyed it.
Sure it was a bit 'light' but all-in-all I liked it 
I did LOL a few times.
Also liked the bit at the end with Rory, Amy and the Doctor.
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Guys, do I have to invoke the MST3k mantra, here?
I should point out that in real life we shouldn't be able to hear the explosions from that spaceship, either, since there's no air in space for sound to travel through.
In short, just repeat to yourself, "It's just a show, I should really just relax." 
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Originally Posted by Hazmatter
Guys, do I have to invoke the MST3k mantra, here?
I should point out that in real life we shouldn't be able to hear the explosions from that spaceship, either, since there's no air in space for sound to travel through. In short, just repeat to yourself, "It's just a show, I should really just relax." |
Hanging out in a vacuum without any additional explanation is an entirely different story.
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In the 22nd century as space flight and combat became common it was discovered that without the visceral impact of sound and vibration, humans tended not to take explosions seriously. As a result they would pilot their own combat craft close to or even through explosions causing severe damage or destruction of their own ships. When survivors were questioned about this behavior the response was always the same. The silent explosion didn't seem severe, or even quite real.|
Originally Posted by Hazmatter
Guys, do I have to invoke the MST3k mantra, here?
I should point out that in real life we shouldn't be able to hear the explosions from that spaceship, either, since there's no air in space for sound to travel through. In short, just repeat to yourself, "It's just a show, I should really just relax." |
After some basic research on the subject it was decided that the most simple solution would be to pipe artificial explosion sounds through the communication systems of the ship. The greater the explosion the louder and deeper the artificial sound.
So although sound does not travel through a vacuum anybody in a ship or even a space suit will hear the sounds of any nearby explosion.
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And the Doctor has on multiple occasions shown a much greater than human resistance to radiation.
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Originally Posted by Zikar
As I said, the biggest problem is the sun, you'd likely be cooked dead by totally unblocked UV radiation (plus general heat)... or you might suffocate first, no one's ever tried to find out.
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The end with Amy and Rory also added a nice layer of characterization for the Doctor. I think a lot of people kind if miss/don't fully grasp that part somehow - they were hoping for more overall flashyness or something; by the time that scene rolls round, they're already sort of sunk into "meh" mode.
*It's late to say so, but the more I see last year's, the more I love it. Mark my words, as time goes by, it's going to loom larger and larger as a Christmas high point.