The Presence Pool.
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Posted on: 2011-12-24 16:01 in Archetypes and Powers General Discussion
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But in order to get it, you've got to pick up a taunt despite have a far superior version in your primary. As for AVs, you'll only being able to fear them during periods when their mez protection is down, at which point someone else on the team is likely to simply hold them. Even assuming you were solo, Touch of Fear and Clock of Fear are enough to stack mag 5 to overcome inherent boss level protection. Basically, you've burned 3 power picks on redundant and scantily useful powers.
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Originally Posted by AnnaPuna
I agree that the presence pool by itself is not worth it but for toons with other fear powers it can be great.
For my concept Fear-brute I love the pool. Brute, dark/dark with all fear powers. Jump into big mob press the area presence fear and minions and luits are feared right away and the bosses get the picture 1 sec later (assuming that you put some good tohit in cloak of fear). With this toon I can even fear AV's for a good time as long as my haste is up. AP |
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It's unaffected by Recharge Buffs.
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Originally Posted by Bionut911
As an alternative to "invoke Panic" might the "Fear Incarnate" vigilante power be useful? I noticed it has a 300s recharge and a -tohit feature. With enough global recharge this power might be pretty useful.
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Originally Posted by Shubbie
Im very good at taking a problem and making it worse.
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I sympathize with those folks trying to make stuff better, but if you look at some of the other in-game powers, it's kinda hard to buff the Presence Pool without making it better than somebody's primary or secondary.
Take a look at some of the stats on Cloak of Fear, here for scrappers:
Level: 28
Mag: 2, 7.45 seconds
Accuracy: 0.67
Endurance: 2.6
Radius: 8 feet
# Targets: 10 max
It's going to be hard to make a power "slightly less good" than that and still have it viable at all. Just the fact that Tier 3 pool powers can be taken at level 20 instead of 28 is a big advantage imo, and then which stats do you make worse to balance this out? It's a pretty hard call imo.
I'm not saying "don't try" but I'd like to see how to make a power "slightly less" good than that. What would you actually change?
Edit: the above stats were copied from Red Tomax. In game, CoF is listed at 0.52 End/s. Just thought I'd clear that up.
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Yes!
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Originally Posted by Computer
I think adding a fifth power would be a great idea. They could make it a PBAoE Toggle power that taunts and fears enemies around you.
...I'll be honest I just want a taunt aura for my non-Brutes/Tanks/odd Scrappers. |
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Originally Posted by gameboy1234
I sympathize with those folks trying to make stuff better, but if you look at some of the other in-game powers, it's kinda hard to buff the Presence Pool without making it better than somebody's primary or secondary.
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There's a bit of a difference in Power Balancing between a Toggle and a Click ...
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Originally Posted by Redlynne
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There's a bit of a difference in Power Balancing between a Toggle and a Click ... |
What are you actually proposing the new presence Fear aura toggle should like like, stat wise?
I'd love to see the whole pool redone. I've tried to take it on a few different concept toons and it's just too weak/under-performing to keep it. =/
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What the Presence pool could use is an aggro drop power.
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Ack! There goes my concept :[
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Originally Posted by DarkSideLeague
It's unaffected by Recharge Buffs.
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You mean like Placate? That's an interesting idea. Would be a good Tier 3 power imo.
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Originally Posted by Oedipus_Tex
What the Presence pool could use is an aggro drop power.
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I'd put Placate in the Concealment Pool, not Presence.
As for a 5th power: I'd add a passive power which, when you do damage to Minions or Lieutenants, gives a very small chance they will outright surrender (counts as an auto-defeat).
This ability could also be added as an Interface Incarnate power, and when the two are combined, there is a chance it will work on Bosses.
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"I WIN!" powers rarely fly very far with a Game Balance Dev.
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Originally Posted by Vox Populi
As for a 5th power: I'd add a passive power which, when you do damage to Minions or Lieutenants, gives a very small chance they will outright surrender (counts as an auto-defeat).
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It's the end. But the moment has been prepared for ...
I have made Presence Pool work on only one toon: a fairly exotic Dark/Dark scrapper built around fear - Touch, Cloak, Intimidate and Invoke Panic. And it is a load of fun seeing basically *everything* nearby cowering as you drub them into the ground. But that fun probably comes at the expense of overall efficiency. But for me, fun > efficiency most of the time.
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I read that and I hear my own voice screaming "OH GAWD MAI BLUE BAR!".
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Originally Posted by _Zuel_
I have made Presence Pool work on only one toon: a fairly exotic Dark/Dark scrapper built around fear - Touch, Cloak, Intimidate and Invoke Panic. And it is a load of fun seeing basically *everything* nearby cowering as you drub them into the ground. But that fun probably comes at the expense of overall efficiency. But for me, fun > efficiency most of the time.
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Deamus the Fallen - 50 DM/EA Brute - Lib
Dragos Bahtiam - 50 Fire/Ice Blaster - Lib
/facepalm - Apply Directly to the Forehead!
Formally Dragos_Bahtiam - Abbreviate to DSL - Warning, may contain sarcasm
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Originally Posted by Shubbie
Im very good at taking a problem and making it worse.
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Yeah, when I say sub-optimal, I mean often panting - if enjoying the view of cowering bosses. But I've heavily slotted end red, so can soldier on, but not without slot opportunity cost...
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Originally Posted by DarkSideLeague
I read that and I hear my own voice screaming "OH GAWD MAI BLUE BAR!".
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In order to be balanced against cloak of fear, it has to be worse than it. So same stats as cloak of fear without the - to hit buff. |
Originally Posted by gameboy1234
OK.
What are you actually proposing the new presence Fear aura toggle should like like, stat wise? |
At those stats it would be a terrible power.
I agree that the presence pool by itself is not worth it but for toons with other fear powers it can be great.
For my concept Fear-brute I love the pool. Brute, dark/dark with all fear powers. Jump into big mob press the area presence fear and minions and luits are feared right away and the bosses get the picture 1 sec later (assuming that you put some good tohit in cloak of fear).
With this toon I can even fear AV's for a good time as long as my haste is up.
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