Dark Amor....negative resistance

That's how it was for me on a stone/dark, and then I respecced into superior conditioning and physical perfection - along with recovery bonuses and two perf shifter procs, I added Vigor Radial to help with the end. I doubt you have ever built anything with dark that is as end hungry as when coupled with stone melee. I currently finally have zero end issues but yes, it took plenty to get there. It has never been about the toggles, even considering CoF - it's always been about how tough your toggles make you in order to prevent constant use of dark regen, which is the real blue bar destroyer.

A Tank thats Dark/certain sets of certain levels, running into a heavy amount of tohit debuffs at same levels is a balance flaw to me and the only balance flaw I noticed really.

See what I mean. And the other players say its fine with just SO's. I think some players just have different standards in what they view as fun or playable. I don't see dark as fun unless its on a stalker simple because I do not run out of end as fast. A power set should not take as much time investment as what we put into our characters to be playable. And for the record when I say playable I mean fun to play.

...which is completely subjective.

What benefit do I get out of lying about this? Seriously there have been all kinds of threads over the years about the end issues. How can all of those players be wrong about it having end problems?

All kinds of threads about the set not having enough endurance do not counter the all kinds of posters who say it does have enough endurance.

The same way people can have their facts wrong or do wrong math. Nothing prevents people from being stupid and spouting incorrect information.

The fact that even one player can do it well would be enough to prove the issue is not with the set.

Good for you. That doesn't make it crippling.

Again, your attacks will consume far more endurance than your armors can.

Adapt.

Thankfully, I never said it was crippling, or that I can't adapt - in fact, I stated exactly how I adapted in previous posts, but you missed that too.

...are you confusing me with EvilRyu?

No, I'm just enforcing the issue and making sure your post doesn't get used as a cop out.

The point is simple.

Aside from Invuln with Smashing and Lethal, no set in the game can cap more than one resistance type at a time. And in order to cap Smashing and Lethal, the rest of Invuln's resistances top out around 30%.

Dark Armor has solid resistance all around, with the exception of Energy, it can cap Psi, and gets a very good amount of Negative resistance. If it could cap both Negative and Psi, it is very likely the rest of it's resistances would be lower than they are.

Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison See, it's gems like these that make me check Claws' post history every once in a while to make sure I haven't missed anything good lately.

I don't know. Can DA cap PSI? Sure. Still takes considerable amount of work to do so, which likely hurts the build in other ways if you're going for capped Psi Resist.

I don't know about you, but I capped my DA tank's psi resist by accident.

Scrapper resists cap is reachable with 3 IO resist sets, imperium armor I think, not sure about tankers but its not as hard as soft cap for defense. I do think the neg energy resists need to be capable. I have always felt that all the resistance armor sets should have something to specialize in and in some cases more than one type. That to me would add more flavor to the game. Also they should have given all powersets inherrent resistance to whatever damage type you do, not alot but enough to matter.

Electric Armor can cap every resistance type (including Toxic and Psi) for around 6 minutes at a time and cap Psi and Energy all the time.

Originally Posted by PleaseRecycle it has gone from unconscionable to downright appalling that we have no way of measuring our characters' wetness.

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I was thinking Scrappers myself, is it just the Tankers?

If we're going by Tanker sets, then ELA can cap S/L Resist too without the tier 9.

I was referring to a Brute build that had been floating around a while back... mostly because I didn't want to figure out the Tanker numbers.

Originally Posted by PleaseRecycle it has gone from unconscionable to downright appalling that we have no way of measuring our characters' wetness.

Originally Posted by Brillig It's hard to beat the entertainment value of Whackjob Wednesdays.

Stone Armor would like to tell you, "You're wrong."

Granite (0.26/sec) + Rooted (0.208/sec) + Mud Pots (0.78/sec) = 1.248/sec.

Dark Embrace (0.208/sec) + Murky Cloud (0.208/sec) + Obsidian Shield (0.208/sec) + Cloak of Darkness (0.26/sec) + Death Shroud (0.52/sec) = 1.404/sec.

That's without Cloak of Fear (0.52/sec) and Oppressive Gloom (0.078/sec) in Dark Armor.

Originally Posted by PleaseRecycle it has gone from unconscionable to downright appalling that we have no way of measuring our characters' wetness.

Originally Posted by Brillig It's hard to beat the entertainment value of Whackjob Wednesdays.

If you picked Stone Armor and aren't using Granite, then you picked the wrong armor set.

But to play the game, substitute Rock Armor for Granite and add in Crystal, Minerals, and Brimstone (not that it's of much use) at 0.26/sec each. Now you're at 1.248 + 0.26 (x3) = 2.028/sec and you'll have less protection than you did at the much lower endurance cost.

Running all of the toggles in Dark Armor pushes you to 2.002/sec and you actually pick up some extra protection while doing so.

So yes, if you're an idiot, you can sacrifice protection and increase the endurance cost on your Stone Armor character just for the sake of proving a point. I think I can count on one hand the number of characters I've seen that were of a level to get Granite Armor and ran around with every other toggle turned on instead (usually it's Stone + Minerals, and they skip Brimstone entirely).

Originally Posted by PleaseRecycle it has gone from unconscionable to downright appalling that we have no way of measuring our characters' wetness.

Originally Posted by Brillig It's hard to beat the entertainment value of Whackjob Wednesdays.

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Some people don't like the penalties of Granite Armor, and develop builds without it. Doing so leads to higher endurance costs than Dark Armor, and those people aren't idiots.

Any other armor set would work better in the same situation. I reiterate, if you picked Stone Armor and aren't using Granite, you picked the wrong armor set. The rest of the set is pretty terrible.

Originally Posted by PleaseRecycle it has gone from unconscionable to downright appalling that we have no way of measuring our characters' wetness.

Originally Posted by Brillig It's hard to beat the entertainment value of Whackjob Wednesdays.