Marvel's version of Nemesis?
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80sBaby,
Posted on: 2011-12-01 09:39 in Comic and Hero-Villain Culture
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Does anyone else hear Robin Williams voice when they see the pictures of Sinister?|
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Just me then.
*checks medication*
This is a song about a super hero named Tony. Its called Tony's theme.
Jagged Reged: 23/01/04
That looks like some of the worst of the early 80s....
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Originally Posted by 80sBaby
During FI (Fear Itself.) Cain was given one of the Worthy Hammers and, combined with his Juggernaught abilities, was TRULY unstoppable (Cyclops comes up with, like, 50 different plans which all fail.)
So, as a back-up, he has Magik, Peter and Kitty travel to Cytorakk's realm to get him to reemove his enchantment. The demone-god does so and is about to choose Illyana as his new vessel until Pete interferes and gets it. He then goes on to fight Cain, mano y mano.  |
But...but...but...
Dammit, the reason Cain didn't stay good was because Cytorrak was limiting his power because he wasn't being an engine of destruction.
Willpower has more passive regen than Regen does. Who thought that was a good idea?
Can we get a fix for Energy Melee instead of more new sets?
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In my recollection, the only one who's ever been able to harm a Celestial (outside of WhatIf alt-canon and without obliterating themselves in the process) is Sue Storm.
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Originally Posted by Kierthos
Nope, those are definitely Celestials.
As for why they are there? *shrug* I haven't picked up any X-comic in years. Are they on the X-Men's side? Uh... the Celestials are cosmic forces. They technically aren't on anyone's side. They shouldn't even notice that the X-Men are there, because there is quite literally nothing that the X-Men should be able to do to them on a permanent basis. (Side note: In an issue of Thor, many years ago, Thor managed to breach the helmet of a Celestial. The process of doing so destroyed Mjolnir (it got better), and Thor still wasn't able to harm the Celestial at all.) |
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He had to cover up his preternatural balding!|
Originally Posted by Jagged
Where upon all his hair falls out?
ps: And he nicked his hat? Thats mean. Steal a man's powers and steal his hat! Nasty, real nasty |
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Right. "Huggernaught" was weaker because he was all goody-goody.|
Originally Posted by Gobbledygook
But...but...but...
Dammit, the reason Cain didn't stay good was because Cytorrak was limiting his power because he wasn't being an engine of destruction. |
Basically, the played to Cy's vanity. Yeah, Cain was causing mayhem BUT it was in someone else's name (The Serpent.)
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Thor did as well.|
Originally Posted by Hyperstrike
In my recollection, the only one who's ever been able to harm a Celestial (outside of WhatIf alt-canon and without obliterating themselves in the process) is Sue Storm.
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He had to wrap his Belt of Strength around Mjolnir to do it, though and fire his Godblast to do it.
And, as was stated, it destroyed the hammer in the process of cracking the Celestial's armor.
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Technically, yes. The Celestials modified the original human stock, creating the Eternals, the Deviants, and the new 'baseline' humans. However, while the Eternals all have extraordinarily long lives and some measure of cosmic power (which they can focus along a particular theme or interest), and the Deviants are wildly genetically and physically varied, the baseline humans have a chance to throw up mutations that can equal or exceed Eternal or Deviant power, but it's a crapshoot. (Side note: Franklin Richards was considered to be the end-goal of the Celestial manipulation of human genetics.)|
Originally Posted by Jagged
Doesn't the back story of the Celestials make the responsible for mutants in the first place?
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So yes, the Celestials are responsible for mutantkind in the Marvel Universe, and they intended it to happen, but that doesn't mean that they're going to go "Awwww, it's our mutant great-great-great(repeat for a while)-grandkids! (sorta) Let's help them out!" They are just as likely to ignore them and do whatever they were going to do regardless of whatever the various X-teams want.
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Originally Posted by Kierthos
Technically, yes. The Celestials modified the original human stock, creating the Eternals, the Deviants, and the new 'baseline' humans. However, while the Eternals all have extraordinarily long lives and some measure of cosmic power (which they can focus along a particular theme or interest), and the Deviants are wildly genetically and physically varied, the baseline humans have a chance to throw up mutations that can equal or exceed Eternal or Deviant power, but it's a crapshoot. (Side note: Franklin Richards was considered to be the end-goal of the Celestial manipulation of human genetics.)
So yes, the Celestials are responsible for mutantkind in the Marvel Universe, and they intended it to happen, but that doesn't mean that they're going to go "Awwww, it's our mutant great-great-great(repeat for a while)-grandkids! (sorta) Let's help them out!" They are just as likely to ignore them and do whatever they were going to do regardless of whatever the various X-teams want. |
Very well said. This is also the reason why Earth is so popular with invaders and world destroyers. Apparently humans are the best samples of Celestial manipulations.
"Samual_Tow - Be disappointed all you want, people. You just don't appreciate the miracles that are taking place here."
That actually caught my attention, to see what the Celestials are up to. Usually they show up en masse to judge if a species is "worthy".
As for who has ever managed to harm a Celestial, Thanos whipped their collective butt pretty good, when he was Infinity Gauntletted out.
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Originally Posted by Kierthos
Nope, those are definitely Celestials.
(Side note: In an issue of Thor, many years ago, Thor managed to breach the helmet of a Celestial. The process of doing so destroyed Mjolnir (it got better), and Thor still wasn't able to harm the Celestial at all.) |
That was a great issue. I totally loved it. Thor fought like hell and at the end, realised he had used all his strength and destroyed Mjolnir to basically just scratch the Celestial...
... who was one of the weaker Celestials.
In the end, though, they sent an avatar to him and said that "even the Celestials respect the bond you have with Mjolnir" and restored it. One of my favourite Thorr issues of that time.
Anyhow, as for the X-Men... I just don't see how they could do anything to attract the attention of one Celestial, let alone so many.
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I just want to "ditto" this. I read this particular issue at a newstand and it got me back into comics after a lengthy hiatus. I do think how Thor lost this battle said more about him than any of his victories. Sort of like "Rocky".
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Originally Posted by Arnabas
That was a great issue. I totally loved it. Thor fought like hell and at the end, realised he had used all his strength and destroyed Mjolnir to basically just scratch the Celestial...
... who was one of the weaker Celestials. In the end, though, they sent an avatar to him and said that "even the Celestials respect the bond you have with Mjolnir" and restored it. One of my favourite Thorr issues of that time. |
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I read the title and thought Marvel isn't the only ones borrowing. New Catwoman 1-3 all have Skulls in it.
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Originally Posted by Gobbledygook
But...but...but...
Dammit, the reason Cain didn't stay good was because Cytorrak was limiting his power because he wasn't being an engine of destruction. |
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Originally Posted by 80sBaby
Right. "Huggernaught" was weaker because he was all goody-goody.
Basically, the played to Cy's vanity. Yeah, Cain was causing mayhem BUT it was in someone else's name (The Serpent.) |
Also, until he grows his hair back I will henceforth refer to Colossus with such monikers as Piotr Radd and Steroid Surfer. Perhaps even the Herald of Cyttorak.
Goodbye may seem forever
Farewell is like the end
But in my heart's the memory
And there you'll always be
-- The Fox and the Hound
The Steel Surfer?
Although, I kinda dig the new look.
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Cyclops actually blew the hand off of one of them at the end of the X factor: Judgement war arc (with Jeans help using some leftover Phoneix energy).
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Originally Posted by Hyperstrike
In my recollection, the only one who's ever been able to harm a Celestial (outside of WhatIf alt-canon and without obliterating themselves in the process) is Sue Storm.
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Perhaps because Cyclops' crimson beams come from the same dimension as Cytorrak?
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Originally Posted by 8_Ball
Cyclops actually blew the hand off of one of them at the end of the X factor: Judgement war arc (with Jeans help using some leftover Phoneix energy).
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- CaptainFoamerang
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Most every non-comic Marvel product (Complete Guide to the Marvel Universe, Marvel Superheroes RPG, etc.) has described them as force blasts, though.|
Originally Posted by CaptainFoamerang
Perhaps because Cyclops' crimson beams come from the same dimension as Cytorrak?
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I'm not saying it's impossible that they're Cytorrakian energy, but just because they're crimson beams, doesn't mean that they have to be from Cytorrak. Also, you'd think since the X-Men have worked with Doctor Strange more then a few times, he might have mentioned it.
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Maybe the rule of Ninjas applies to Celestials as well?
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Originally Posted by Arnabas
Anyhow, as for the X-Men... I just don't see how they could do anything to attract the attention of one Celestial, let alone so many.
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This is a song about a super hero named Tony. Its called Tony's theme.
Jagged Reged: 23/01/04
Cyclop's blasts are concussive force. He actually absorbs sunlight and converts it into his eye beams. Cytorak has nothing to do with it.
Havok absorbs all ambient cosmic energies for his powers. That's why their abilities don't hurt each other.
Oh, and Cyke's GOML (Get Off My Lawn) blast is pretty uber.
I was just pulling that theory out of my *** since I know before they were on a whole "extradimensional energy" kick to explain some of the mutants' powers.
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Silverspar on Kelly Hu: A face that could melt paint off the wall *shivers*
Someone play my AE arc! "The Heart of Statesman" ID: 343405
I wouldn't be surprised if Marvel's makes that the new reason, though. they love a good, pointless retcon.
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You always have to wonder how that works. Obviously he's not absorbing much visible light or Cyclops would have black, or at least very dark, skin. Which makes me wonder if he appears to be a black silhouette in ultraviolet and infrared views.
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Originally Posted by 80sBaby
Cyclop's blasts are concussive force. He actually absorbs sunlight and converts it into his eye beams. Cytorak has nothing to do with it.
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Dr. Todt's theme.
i make stuff...
Is this a what if story where Sinister solos the universe?
ps: And he nicked his hat? Thats mean. Steal a man's powers and steal his hat! Nasty, real nasty
This is a song about a super hero named Tony. Its called Tony's theme.
Jagged Reged: 23/01/04