Lusca Attacks


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Gotta love these guys....they've been scientifically proven to be adaptive learning creatures with significant intelligence and the capability to learn by empirical viewing.

Any creature that when it's trapped knows it's trapped and waits for an opportunity to escape rather than continue to struggle shows intelligence. This was done putting an octopus into continually smaller containers until it was impossible to escape without doing injury to itself. Genuine self-awareness.

And they're peaceful. Any human could handle an octopus fairly safely, if they allow themselves to be. Makes me look forward to their evolution or if we learn how to communicate with them.


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And they're peaceful. Any human could handle an octopus fairly safely, if they allow themselves to be. Makes me look forward to their evolution or if we learn how to communicate with them.


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You're giving us too much credit. It is not when we learn how to communicate with them, but when they learn how or feel like communicating with us.


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I love the little girl at the end who is like, "OK, are we done filming the stupid octopus walking on land? I wanna take a picture now!"


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You're giving us too much credit. It is not when we learn how to communicate with them, but when they learn how or feel like communicating with us.
Heh, good point. Living in the largest mass on the planet while we silly humans try and fit on only a third of it....who's the dominant species again...?


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Gotta love these guys....they've been scientifically proven to be adaptive learning creatures with significant intelligence and the capability to learn by empirical viewing.

Any creature that when it's trapped knows it's trapped and waits for an opportunity to escape rather than continue to struggle shows intelligence. This was done putting an octopus into continually smaller containers until it was impossible to escape without doing injury to itself. Genuine self-awareness.

And they're peaceful. Any human could handle an octopus fairly safely, if they allow themselves to be. Makes me look forward to their evolution or if we learn how to communicate with them.


S.
This, but humans would somehow **** it up.



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This, but humans would somehow **** it up.
*looks up*

Oh.

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A long time ago, like the mid 70s when I was in 8th grade, I went on a school sponsored week long field trip to at the time the Bermuda Biological Station (now the Bermuda Institute of Ocean Sciences or BIOS) to get exposed to marine biology. One of the things we did every day would be to go out, collect specimens, bring them back, study them (sketch, write up your observations) and release them back in a day or two.

One of our teachers snagged an octopus, main body no bigger than your fist, arm span of about two, two and half feet, for us to observe.

Now to do our work we had to remove the specimen from it's tank and put it in a smaller "fish bowl" for lack of a better description so we could bring it to our work area. Now it didn't object to the move to the much smaller tank however when I tried to put it back, well it had 6 more arms than I had and snagged the rim of the tank with a couple of it's tentacles. When I peeled them off would snag the rim with a couple of the ones I wasn't removing, rinse, repeat. It turned into a sitcom sketch.

I learned two things; one, they are stronger than they look and two, the main body feels like a bag of Jello. Now since I didn't want to hurt it by squeezing the body too hard it nearly escaped once it got four or five arms out of the tank, until a couple of my classmates helped getting ahead of it's tentacle deployment so we could get all of it back into it's tank and get the cover with blocks onto the tank.

Oh and by blocks I mean cinder blocks, three of them. Our teachers learned in previous years that an octopus of that size could shift the cover enough to escape when only two cinder blocks were used.


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And they're peaceful. Any human could handle an octopus fairly safely, if they allow themselves to be. Makes me look forward to their evolution or if we learn how to communicate with them.
PEACEFUL?!

Did you see that crab it spit out when it was closest to the humans while on land? That was a warning.

But yeah, octopi are neat. Cuttlefish, too.


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PEACEFUL?!

Did you see that crab it spit out when it was closest to the humans while on land? That was a warning.

But yeah, octopi are neat. Cuttlefish, too.
Cuttlefish are the crazy gun toting bikers of the sea!

err... well maybe thats the Humboldt squid but damnit I stand by my crazy cuttlefish biker observation!



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A long time ago, like the mid 70s when I was in 8th grade, I went on a school sponsored week long field trip to at the time the Bermuda Biological Station (now the Bermuda Institute of Ocean Sciences or BIOS) to get exposed to marine biology. One of the things we did every day would be to go out, collect specimens, bring them back, study them (sketch, write up your observations) and release them back in a day or two.

One of our teachers snagged an octopus, main body no bigger than your fist, arm span of about two, two and half feet, for us to observe.

Now to do our work we had to remove the specimen from it's tank and put it in a smaller "fish bowl" for lack of a better description so we could bring it to our work area. Now it didn't object to the move to the much smaller tank however when I tried to put it back, well it had 6 more arms than I had and snagged the rim of the tank with a couple of it's tentacles. When I peeled them off would snag the rim with a couple of the ones I wasn't removing, rinse, repeat. It turned into a sitcom sketch.

I learned two things; one, they are stronger than they look and two, the main body feels like a bag of Jello. Now since I didn't want to hurt it by squeezing the body too hard it nearly escaped once it got four or five arms out of the tank, until a couple of my classmates helped getting ahead of it's tentacle deployment so we could get all of it back into it's tank and get the cover with blocks onto the tank.

Oh and by blocks I mean cinder blocks, three of them. Our teachers learned in previous years that an octopus of that size could shift the cover enough to escape when only two cinder blocks were used.
Awesome story, but it probably woulda been easier to just put the fishbowl into the larger tank, let the critter leave the fishbowl, and then snag back the bowl.


 

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You do know, this is the beginning of the end.




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You do know, this is the beginning of the end.
Read H. G. Wells's short story "The Sea Raiders" if you want to get an idea of how it will go down.


 

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PEACEFUL?!

Did you see that crab it spit out when it was closest to the humans while on land? That was a warning.

But yeah, octopi are neat. Cuttlefish, too.
Nah it wasn't. It was most likely undigested. An aggressive species would put on a threat display to anything around it. It just went 'ptui! Glad I got rid of that' and went back into the water.


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Well, the biggest thing that keeps octopi from advancing is that they have no grouping. And since they live alone, they have noone bringing them food.

See, after mating the mama octopus goes and makes a den and lays a bunch of eggs. Then the just sits there and protects the eggs. Yeah, it's a great show of maternal instinct. But by the time the eggs hatch, mama octopus has basically starved herself to death. At this point she dies. So, because nobody brought mama octopus food during this time, and since octopi don't have a group structure like orca, dolphins and such other sea animals, they cannot pass on what they learned to their offspring. Which means that each generation has to learn anew what is good and bad in the area around them.

So, until those most interesting animals can group together and start to teach their young, we have nothing to fear from an octopi invasion.


 

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this presumes though that they dont pass information down genetically to the next generation.

Ive seen how smart these bloody things are myself. Had a seaworld trip once where they put an octopus into a maze which it got right on the first try, its reward was to trya nd figure out how to open a mason jar which it did in order to get at the shrimp inside it.

bloody thing beat the maze in under a minute, and took 3 minutes to figure out how to unscrew the mason jar lid for a shrimp lunch.


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I for one, welcome our new ocean dwelling overlords.


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They've been proven scientifically to be able to teach each other through observation with absolutely no familial relation. They had an experiment not dissimilar to the Seaworld experience where the object was to move through a series of spaces before opening a jar for food. The first octopus had worked out how to do so before, whilst the second was exposed to the environment for the first time and was not previously exposed to the other octopus.

It was shown (and is recorded on video) that the younger smaller octopus (seperated by a pane of glass) watches and studies the first octopus and then successfully replicates the actions taken. That is demonstrable learning behavior that doesn't rely on any genetic knowledge. Complex actions such as moving through the spaces and opening the jar aren't muscle memory actions, they're set to an organised form of thinking.

They can learn, and they don't need to be in social groups to do it. Individuals can show others how to do something, and so it goes.


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I knew there was a lot of evidence for how smart they were but I never knew they were willing or capable of crawling up out of the water and shuffling around like that on their own. Kind of cool and creepy at the same time.


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