RMT spammers getting brave aren't they?
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Adeon Hawkwood,
Posted on: 2011-11-17 06:34 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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I ... really had the impression you were smarter than this.|
Originally Posted by Nihilii
HA! This topic is surreal.
RMT hater- "RMT steal your moniez and **** your dog!" RMT user- "well hey guys I actually used it and nothing bad happened to me" RMT hater- "OMG you fund terrorism!" Particulary tasty to me is this particular RMT user claiming to be a member of the US (I assume) military. What with TonyV, ClawsandEffect and others using propaganda, misinformation and scare tactics on par with what started a certain war recently... |
I doubt very much most ill-gotten gains from RMT are going to fund terrorists or even the various varieties of "the mob" out there. But giving these people your CC or even just account info is not just pants-on-head stupid, it's pants-on-head-by-virtue-of-head-up-butt stupid.
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I'll just add that announcing publicly that you have used RMT services on the games official forums is probably not the smartest move you could have made...
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Originally Posted by CrazyJerseyan
I came back from Iraq a few years ago after being deployed for over a year and bought some "gold'" in order to quickly jump back into playing (always heavily IO my toons for pve and pvp). I never had an issue with fraud and never spent more than what a regular monthly subscription to the game cost which equaled out to a couple of billion. I dont see the point in buying influence/infamy if you play regularly but I also dont think the issue is bad as I have read here either.
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Working in Intelligence doesn't require any, it seems
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Originally Posted by Adeon Hawkwood
I'll just add that announcing publicly that you have used RMT services on the games official forums is probably not the smartest move you could have made...
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Speaking with the experience of a veteran I can assure you that any mixing of military with intelligence results in an oxymoron.
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Originally Posted by Scene_EU
Working in Intelligence doesn't require any, it seems
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Or as Napoleon said: An army marches on it's stomach.
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Originally Posted by CrazyJerseyan
But the infantry also generally felt if a soldier was logistics, administration, cook etc you were just a POG (people other than grunts/permanently on the ground). Until they realized there were no bullets to shoot without supply guys, no processing school dates for Airborne/Ranger School without paper pushers and no hot chow in the field without dfac personnel.
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I've seen them on union ._. Sadly.. not there much But when I had a friend make a toon there and made a toon there to help her, I saw them by liberty
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Originally Posted by HardRider
no offence, but i looove how they seem to really only go after NA side :P .. union nice n peaceful
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So... what's the maximum amount of goods or services I can purchase from a known criminal organization before I have to consider myself a criminal? Could I purchase, say, a $100 stolen jacket and still think I haven't done anything wrong?|
Originally Posted by CrazyJerseyan
I want to explain my original statement...
I wasnt advocating the use of the services, I wasnt implying that Chinese prisoners suffering human rights abuses was a good thing and I wasnt cheering for the bad guys in the Global War on Terror. We can disagree on something and debate without becoming disrespectful to each other and this will be the last I say about the issue seeing as I didnt craft my post with any devious intent. Also, none of us should have to feel the need to lie about OR prove anything online, so I wont make this any more TLDR than its going to be with a long list of who I am or what I do (who really cares anyway). Like most of you, Im just a person that enjoys the game and forum community. After reading the first couple of pages, I shared in general terms that after a long deployment in '07 (knowing that within 6 months, the training/deployment cycle would start again) I wanted to get back into the game heavy and I used a gold service twice to the overall tune of $30, with my credit card information remaining intact. Because of this, Im accused of looking for sympathy, of having a lackadaisacal attitude towards supporting organized crime and possibly contributing to the arming of terrorists that fight/maim/kill American military members. Seems like a long stretch to me, but maybe I deserved it seeing how "strongly" people seem to feel about this topic. |
If I only buy spark plugs from an illegal chop-shop, I'm still a good guy, right?
I just want to know what the threshold is, so I never have to think of myself as supporting criminal enterprise. Thanks in advance!
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Yeah lol...but you read how well that doctrine worked out for him when he fail invaded Russia.
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Originally Posted by Adeon Hawkwood
Or as Napoleon said: An army marches on it's stomach.
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Yeah, about that. You should probably stop shopping at Walmart. Most of their goods are from countries with major problems of child labor and sweatshops.
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Originally Posted by Tetsuko_NA
So... what's the maximum amount of goods or services I can purchase from a known criminal organization before I have to consider myself a criminal? Could I purchase, say, a $100 stolen jacket and still think I haven't done anything wrong?
If I only buy spark plugs from an illegal chop-shop, I'm still a good guy, right? I just want to know what the threshold is, so I never have to think of myself as supporting criminal enterprise. Thanks in advance! |
I was stupid enough to try one of those in my youth. Not on City of heroes, though. Luckily, it was through paypal so I didn't give them any credit card info. While they upheld the deal, they took about 2 hours to deliver and didn't speak a word of english.
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I'm calling bull on the "need" for this if you're deployed. I have a few friends (as in people I know in "meatspace", to clarify) who play this game and are military. And they never felt the need to buy inf to "catch up" for IOs. They just learned to market like the rest of us.
And the point about potentially funding US enemies is entirely valid. A Chinese RMT company is likely at least partially connected to the Triads or other organized crime. And organized crime, especially in a country with somewhat lax law enforcement like China, is not entirely picky about who they do business with. And China is in a perfect place, geographically, to end up funneling weapons and/or money through to insurgents in Afghanistan (though I'd bet it's more likely to be the Russian mob that does most of the organized crime to terrorist laundering).
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Originally Posted by Back Alley Brawler
Did you just use "casual gamer" and "purpled-out warshade" in the same sentence?
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Youre absolutely right sir/ma'am...I appreciate your input.|
Originally Posted by ArcticFahx
I'm calling bull on the "need" for this if you're deployed. I have a few friends (as in people I know in "meatspace", to clarify) who play this game and are military. And they never felt the need to buy inf to "catch up" for IOs. They just learned to market like the rest of us.
And the point about potentially funding US enemies is entirely valid. A Chinese RMT company is likely at least partially connected to the Triads or other organized crime. And organized crime, especially in a country with somewhat lax law enforcement like China, is not entirely picky about who they do business with. And China is in a perfect place, geographically, to end up funneling weapons and/or money through to insurgents in Afghanistan (though I'd bet it's more likely to be the Russian mob that does most of the organized crime to terrorist laundering). |
Can you post any links that explore the validity of connections between RMTers and insurgency operations in South Asia, Central Asia and the Middle East? I need to brush up on this stuff.
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Yeah, you don't really get to use the "RMT is bad cause it funds sweatshops" argument unless every single thing you own is made in a country with reasonable and enforced labor laws. This means you're either rich or naked. If those sweatshop workers or Chinese prisoners weren't farming gold, they'd be doing some other sweatshop work, probably equally illegal and more detrimental to their health.
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Originally Posted by Frostbiter
Yeah, about that. You should probably stop shopping at Walmart. Most of their goods are from countries with major problems of child labor and sweatshops.
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Well, tell you what.|
Originally Posted by Frostbiter
Yeah, about that. You should probably stop shopping at Walmart. Most of their goods are from countries with major problems of child labor and sweatshops.
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If I ever start to shop at Wal-Mart, I'll be sure to tell you when I stop.
I'm far from perfect, and no doubt have large blind spots in my purchasing, but I do at least make the effort to avoid the most egrigious offenders against basic decency.
I would also make a distinction between niavely purchasing products from a company that skirts ethical regulations when it can and actively and (apparently) unrepentantly supporting and defending openly unethical and criminal activity.
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Gross mischaracterization on top of gross misinformation.|
Originally Posted by Nihilii
HA! This topic is surreal.
RMT hater- "RMT steal your moniez and **** your dog!" RMT user- "well hey guys I actually used it and nothing bad happened to me" RMT hater- "OMG you fund terrorism!" Particulary tasty to me is this particular RMT user claiming to be a member of the US (I assume) military. What with TonyV, ClawsandEffect and others using propaganda, misinformation and scare tactics on par with what started a certain war recently... |
Just gross.
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Time and time again I tell people to report them via support - ignoring as spammer will take days to resolve the problem.
Menu - R - copy and paste spam - mark as RMT'er. I guarantee that within 10 minutes that spammer will fade into the ether right before your eyes.
Anyone who complains about them and does not do this has no cause for complaint.
Edit ::: Make a badge available for being the first to report a spammer 200 times, 500 times and 1000 times. Spammers would then disappear from this game.
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How they treat U.S. employees was enough for me stop shopping there, let alone their trade with foreign sweatshops.
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Originally Posted by Frostbiter
Yeah, about that. You should probably stop shopping at Walmart. Most of their goods are from countries with major problems of child labor and sweatshops.
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Yes, use the /ignoreasspammer function (or just right click them or their name in chat and chose that option). If enough players do that, they get auto-squelched as well as investigated. Make sure you instruct other members of the /help channel how to do that, too.
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Originally Posted by afocks
Time and time again I tell people to report them via support - ignoring as spammer will take days to resolve the problem.
Menu - R - copy and paste spam - mark as RMT'er. I guarantee that within 10 minutes that spammer will fade into the ether right before your eyes. Anyone who complains about them and does not do this has no cause for complaint. |
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And in another 5 minutes, they'll have a new account. Getting them banned hasn't ever solved the problem in any game, CoH isn't any exception. There's no point in "rushing" the report. That's not to say don't "ignore spammer", which files an auto report. But, really, all sending a petition on top of that is doing is clogging up the works for a totally ineffective "solution".
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Originally Posted by afocks
Time and time again I tell people to report them via support - ignoring as spammer will take days to resolve the problem.
Menu - R - copy and paste spam - mark as RMT'er. I guarantee that within 10 minutes that spammer will fade into the ether right before your eyes. |
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There's never going to be an effective solution other than eliminating Free accounts ability to use chat channels which would be insane, and banning people stupid enough to admit they use those services.
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Originally Posted by Tyger42
And in another 5 minutes, they'll have a new account. Getting them banned hasn't ever solved the problem in any game, CoH isn't any exception. There's no point in "rushing" the report. That's not to say don't "ignore spammer", which files an auto report. But, really, all sending a petition on top of that is doing is clogging up the works for a totally ineffective "solution".
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Well, yeah, that's kinda my point. Petitioning on top of "ignore spammer"ing them effectively only adds clutter to the GM queue. Just stick with the ignore spammer and get on with your day. |
Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
There's never going to be an effective solution other than eliminating Free accounts ability to use chat channels which would be insane, and banning people stupid enough to admit they use those services.
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RMT'ing is contra the EULA and therefore a petition offence. Rather than wait for a day I petition every RMT'er I witness and they are zapped by a GM usually within 2 mins, sometimes up to 10 mins. Use ignore as spammer, I don't care, I merely speed up the process. It is ok to do that.
Folk who wish to be the GM's email filters make me laugh.
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You are aware that the ignore spammer function automatically creates that same petition, right?
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Originally Posted by afocks
RMT'ing is contra the EULA and therefore a petition offence. Rather than wait for a day I petition every RMT'er I witness and they are zapped by a GM usually within 2 mins, sometimes up to 10 mins. Use ignore as spammer, I don't care, I merely speed up the process. It is ok to do that.
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Originally Posted by Back Alley Brawler
Did you just use "casual gamer" and "purpled-out warshade" in the same sentence?
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Tony, I'm going to link this post of yours in my .sig because everyone needs to read it until they understand.
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RMT spammers WILL steal your credit card.
If I see a free player even considering the idea, I would happily give them the 25 million to cap them.
Gotta need deep pockets to pull it off, but it'd be hilarious.
Personally, I'm paranoid with my CC info online because I KNOW people are out to get it. (Hmm, is it paranoia if people ARE out to get you?) I'd never, ever, hand over my card info to anyone on an unsecured connection and even then I know that the "secure" databases get cracked occasionally, but in those cases, my bank has me covered.
PL service is also really dumb as you'll be handing over your game password. Most people have a common password, and if you hand over yours to the crooks, they'll try it everywhere they might think you could be a customer. Which is why having a common password is a bad idea. If the crooks get you, they get ONE, and only one.
And yeah, I use the word crooks, because that's what they are. It's not about violating the spirit of the game, it's about not funding the mafia or whoever is sitting on the good end of these kinds of scams. Let's not make it easier for them than it has to be.
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