Weird question: Why do Praet crates hurt Phantom Army?
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Aett_Thorn,
Posted on: 2011-11-04 14:01 in Player Questions
That definitely does seem odd. I would think this was a bug, and should be submitted as one. Don't know why they'd give crates the Hami-code.
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Originally Posted by Aett_Thorn
That definitely does seem odd. I would think this was a bug, and should be submitted as one. Don't know why they'd give crates the Hami-code.
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I'm pretty sure I know the answer to this, but you mean LAMBDA, right? Not BAF? (I can't think of any crates or "underground areas" in BAF...) |
Originally Posted by Turgenev
...atop one of the Weapons Crates or Containment Chambers in the underground areas of the BAF.
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Originally Posted by Eric Nelson
I'm pretty sure I know the answer to this, but you mean LAMBDA, right? Not BAF? (I can't think of any crates or "underground areas" in BAF...)
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Originally Posted by Chyron HR
I thought everybody knew that you could send a team into the BAF facility to disable Siege and Nightstar's sequestration power...
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There are a variety of ways to hurt/kill Decoys, and every one I find is annoying.|
Originally Posted by Turgenev
Scenario: BAF trial, an Illusion controller spawns Phantom Army (by definition, "indestructible" by all but the Hamidon, and that was a hack later on to keep people from showering Hami with pets) atop one of the Weapons Crates or Containment Chambers in the underground areas of the BAF.
When these items explode, their explosion does fire/lethal damage, with a smidgeon of knockback. BUT: This damage will hurt Phantom Army, which are supposedly indestructible. Anyone know if this is "working as designed"? If so, what was the design? That the crates are higher on the Incarnate track than we are? I figured PQ would get a wider base of readership than the Controllers forum, and this appears to be topic appropriate, so anyone got a clue on this? Thanks! |
Things that can hurt/kill decoys (not complete):
- Hamidon
- Police Drones.
- Arachnos Drones.
- Falling damage in the Ouroborus zone (yeah, they do take damage there).
- Incarnate Trial explosions (crates, containment chambers, demolition charges)
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Originally Posted by Eric Nelson
I'm pretty sure I know the answer to this, but you mean LAMBDA, right? Not BAF? (I can't think of any crates or "underground areas" in BAF...)
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Originally Posted by Turgenev
XD Obviously I post when I'm exhausted. Yep, yer right, fixed.
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Nah, you pointed it out for clarity, don't sweat it. I can take it. XD
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Originally Posted by Eric Nelson
Just teasin' ya, buddy.
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For what it's worth - Maelstrom also does this in the last phase of TPN where he "channels energy/focus/eats a lizard" ...whatever he does.
Decoy death a few seconds after they're spawned seems kinda bunk. Thought the were untouchable. :\
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Agreed, and I asked Synapse about Decoys taking damage, and he looked a bit surprised. As near as he could say was that some untyped damage is affecting them.
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Originally Posted by TheXor
For what it's worth - Maelstrom also does this in the last phase of TPN where he "channels energy/focus/eats a lizard" ...whatever he does.
Decoy death a few seconds after they're spawned seems kinda bunk. Thought the were untouchable. :\ |
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To be honest, I think Praetorian mobs have all kinds of cheat hacks jammed into them. The other day I got downed by some IDF troops on my Kat/Dark Scrapper and hit Soul Transfer, a power I thought had something like a mag30 stun on it. Those gits just shrugged it off immediately and sent me straight to the hospital. Grrrr....!
Sorry, just venting.
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I've noticed that even the unattackable escorts/freed hostages even can take falling damage as you lead them out, if you choose a path that includes elevation changes of sufficient magnitude..
Thought it was cagey myself..
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To be fair, the change to hamidon being able to kill PA was intentional to keep more builds viable for hami raids and strategies that don't hinge on specific builds/powers. Being able to be killed by drones is there to prevent griefing. And finally the fall damage in ouro doesn't impact normal play.|
Originally Posted by Snow Globe
There are a variety of ways to hurt/kill Decoys, and every one I find is annoying.
Things that can hurt/kill decoys (not complete):
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I'm not sure if the crates actually kill PA or not (instead of just damaging them), but as long as the crates aren't outright killing them, then I don't see it as a big issue, since nothing else can damage them to finish them off. If the crates are actually killing the PA then I'd say it's something worth fixing.
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Don't worry. The NPC forums are filled with posts about how players hack the game by using inspirations and slotting enhancers.
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Originally Posted by Dante
To be honest, I think Praetorian mobs have all kinds of cheat hacks jammed into them. The other day I got downed by some IDF troops on my Kat/Dark Scrapper and hit Soul Transfer, a power I thought had something like a mag30 stun on it. Those gits just shrugged it off immediately and sent me straight to the hospital. Grrrr....!
Sorry, just venting. |
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Don't worry. The NPC forums are filled with posts about how players hack the game by using inspirations and slotting enhancers.
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Maelstrom also does an AoE that hurts PA.
From what I have gathered PA is damaged by untyped damage. (Hamidon is a classic example)
Their untouchable status, which is very similar to phase shift, is type dependent, so if there is no type than the damage still effects them.
I can only assume that the crates in I trials do untyped damage instead of the fire/lethal damage most destroyable things do.
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The crates, the containment chambers, and Maelstrom all can kill decoys. I'm not sure about the nightmares or other aspects in the MoM trial.
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Originally Posted by DreadShinobi
I'm not sure if the crates actually kill PA or not (instead of just damaging them), but as long as the crates aren't outright killing them, then I don't see it as a big issue, since nothing else can damage them to finish them off. If the crates are actually killing the PA then I'd say it's something worth fixing.
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Scenario: Lambda trial, an Illusion controller spawns Phantom Army (by definition, "indestructible" by all but the Hamidon, and that was a hack later on to keep people from showering Hami with pets) atop one of the Weapons Crates or Containment Chambers in the underground areas of the Lambda.
When these items explode, their explosion does fire/lethal damage, with a smidgeon of knockback. BUT: This damage will hurt Phantom Army, which are supposedly indestructible.
Anyone know if this is "working as designed"? If so, what was the design? That the crates are higher on the Incarnate track than we are?
I figured PQ would get a wider base of readership than the Controllers forum, and this appears to be topic appropriate, so anyone got a clue on this? Thanks!
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