Will we ever get a way to breakdown Incarnate powers
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Airhammer,
Posted on: 2011-11-01 13:39 in Player Questions
Outlook not so good.
Okay, i am an altoholic. Even I do not want this. And I am in the process of deleting months worth of ITrial rewards right now as I clean house.
Here is the reason, for me. For a character to be incarnate there has to be something about them very special. If you could strip everything off them, that specialness goes away. I really plan out now whether I iTrial with a character. It generally affects how much I i/o them. (less is more, if I i/o them too much, and want the I/os, I have "to shatter" the character, and delete...
So if I both pour a couple bill into a toon, and grind itrials with them, wow, I love them. It makes me think 4 times before I go to wipe them out.
The number one reason I can see this being a bonus is them bringing out new things to slot like new Lore pets. what if I had Lore pet A created, but then they came out with pet B that I liked that much more (and would likely completely replace pet A). Now I have to go out and pay double to use one pet when it would have been cheaper/nicer to be able to trade-in/upgrade to the newer pet I wanted.
In my case it would more likely be something like I wanted to try out incarnate type A only to find out that I really should have chosen type C (for whatever reason). I now have X Billions of inf (that say may take my playstyle ages to recover) to do the same as above. I'd love the option, but it'll definitely have a cost related to it. I'd thougth about it before, but never remembered to post it. I'm sure some will argue "that's what test is for", but then I'll point to the number of Months that the transfer system's been down. ;-)
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Giving the existing breakdown rates, I'd say if they did implement this you would be extraordinarily disappointed because it wouldn't be significantly cheaper.|
Originally Posted by WanderingAries
The number one reason I can see this being a bonus is them bringing out new things to slot like new Lore pets. what if I had Lore pet A created, but then they came out with pet B that I liked that much more (and would likely completely replace pet A). Now I have to go out and pay double to use one pet when it would have been cheaper/nicer to be able to trade-in/upgrade to the newer pet I wanted.
In my case it would more likely be something like I wanted to try out incarnate type A only to find out that I really should have chosen type C (for whatever reason). I now have X Billions of inf (that say may take my playstyle ages to recover) to do the same as above. I'd love the option, but it'll definitely have a cost related to it. I'd thougth about it before, but never remembered to post it. I'm sure some will argue "that's what test is for", but then I'll point to the number of Months that the transfer system's been down. ;-) |
Right now you can breakdown an uncommon or a rare into the common of your choice, or a very rare into a common with a few threads left over. If they let you completely break down a crafted T4, I'm willing to bet you 500m Inf you'd not even be able to get enough threads to make an uncommon out of it. I bet they'd give you 30-36 threads.
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Here is my thought on that. Firstly I dont expect to get everything of the power. I would like to see us have the ability to remove the rare or very rare piece of salvage from it to reuse it later. Thats pretty much all I would want and I dont even expect to get that.|
Originally Posted by Blue_Centurion
Okay, i am an altoholic. Even I do not want this. And I am in the process of deleting months worth of ITrial rewards right now as I clean house.
Here is the reason, for me. For a character to be incarnate there has to be something about them very special. If you could strip everything off them, that specialness goes away. I really plan out now whether I iTrial with a character. It generally affects how much I i/o them. (less is more, if I i/o them too much, and want the I/os, I have "to shatter" the character, and delete... So if I both pour a couple bill into a toon, and grind itrials with them, wow, I love them. It makes me think 4 times before I go to wipe them out. |
The problem with comparing IO's to the Incarnate stuff is that we have a current amount of IO's that exist. You know whats available for what power. You can plan your build well and even if you want to change it later you can respec, You can now unslot the entire enhancement intact and sell it on the market to get some of your investment of time and influence back.
The Incarnate system is a moving target right now, new abilities are being released without any information prior being available.
For example my Energy/Energy Blaster made the Reactive Interface that is the 75% proc for -damage resistance. If I had know that an Interface was going to be available that allowed for a chance for Energy Damage I would have waited for that as it fits the concept of that character better.
I dont expect and wouldnt as for the ability to get back everything invested. However to get something back would be nice.
The hard things I can do--- The impossible just take a little bit longer.
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I could see reasons for the devs to never do this, but here's some other thoughts.
What if we could side grade an Incarnate power? Maybe with one less component or something. So it normally takes three salvage to make a Tier 1, what about two commons and another Tier 1? That would be at least something. Tier 2 normally takes two commons and an uncommon, so how about drop the uncommon crafting requirement and require another T2 instead? Etc. Each side grade could just drop the most expensive component and substitute a tier of the same level.
The only thing I really dislike about this is scrolling to find the recipe you want. I think the devs would have to consider a different interface to make this really accessible for the players. One way to prevent abuse and add a new UI might be to require players to go to a vendor in Ouroboros to convert Incarnate abilities. I'm picturing a guy with Empyrean wings and glowy eyes and overalls and a plumber's wrench. He's standing next to a magic forge (the base item) and offers to respec our Incarnate abilities for us. Add an 18 hour cool down and you're set.
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Have you LOOKED at the current sidegrade costs? Again, if they gave us this option, following the currently implemented pricing, we'd pay the two most expensive components and drop the third, plus add a few million inf.|
Originally Posted by gameboy1234
I could see reasons for the devs to never do this, but here's some other thoughts.
What if we could side grade an Incarnate power? Maybe with one less component or something. So it normally takes three salvage to make a Tier 1, what about two commons and another Tier 1? That would be at least something. Tier 2 normally takes two commons and an uncommon, so how about drop the uncommon crafting requirement and require another T2 instead? Etc. Each side grade could just drop the most expensive component and substitute a tier of the same level. |
They have some neurotic fear that breaking down components gives too much freedom. It takes 60 threads to make an uncommon, but you don't even get 20 out of it if you break it down and it takes more to sidegrade than you get from breaking it down.
First ask them to fix the current breakdown and sidegrade process. Because otherwise they might give you your requested breakdown or sidegrade, but at so high a cost it is completely worthless. And yet they'll say "you asked we delivered".
"Hmm, I guess I'm not as omniscient as I thought" -Gavin Runeblade.
I can be found, outside of paragon city here.
Thank you everyone at Paragon and on Virtue. When the lights go out in November, you'll find me on Razor Bunny.
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So i demand an Archetype/Powerset respec. if I had know they would make Dark/Dark blasters, the tank would never have been born.|
Originally Posted by Airhammer
Here is my thought on that. Firstly I dont expect to get everything of the power. I would like to see us have the ability to remove the rare or very rare piece of salvage from it to reuse it later. Thats pretty much all I would want and I dont even expect to get that.
The problem with comparing IO's to the Incarnate stuff is that we have a current amount of IO's that exist. You know whats available for what power. You can plan your build well and even if you want to change it later you can respec, You can now unslot the entire enhancement intact and sell it on the market to get some of your investment of time and influence back. The Incarnate system is a moving target right now, new abilities are being released without any information prior being available. For example my Energy/Energy Blaster made the Reactive Interface that is the 75% proc for -damage resistance. If I had know that an Interface was going to be available that allowed for a chance for Energy Damage I would have waited for that as it fits the concept of that character better. I dont expect and wouldnt as for the ability to get back everything invested. However to get something back would be nice. |
It's an MMO. Things change. Things get added.
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Originally Posted by GavinRuneblade
Have you LOOKED at the current sidegrade costs? Again, if they gave us this option, following the currently implemented pricing, we'd pay the two most expensive components and drop the third, plus add a few million inf.
They have some neurotic fear that breaking down components gives too much freedom. It takes 60 threads to make an uncommon, but you don't even get 20 out of it if you break it down and it takes more to sidegrade than you get from breaking it down. First ask them to fix the current breakdown and sidegrade process. Because otherwise they might give you your requested breakdown or sidegrade, but at so high a cost it is completely worthless. And yet they'll say "you asked we delivered". |
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I wouldn't mind being able to breakdown a Incarnate power into the pieces I used to make it...I unwittingly crafted the Vanguard Lore pet, because I forgot I had already crafted a T3 Warworks, just didn't have the Lore slot unlocked at the time.
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I don't mind it taking some time. But I would like the breakdown and sidegrade costs to be reasonable enough that they are worth doing. Right now, you're better off holding onto the wrong components and hoping they become useful in the future.
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Originally Posted by Rajani Isa
It's an endgame system. It's supposed to take some time.
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"Hmm, I guess I'm not as omniscient as I thought" -Gavin Runeblade.
I can be found, outside of paragon city here.
Thank you everyone at Paragon and on Virtue. When the lights go out in November, you'll find me on Razor Bunny.
I don't know about breaking them down but after upgrading my t3 Partial Core Improved Ally into a t4 Radial Superior Ally, I wish I could swap it back 
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I have characters sitting on Lore pets they no longer want/need because we got new Lore pets. I have characters sitting on Alphas that are no longer desirable since we didn't know what the highest tier bonuses would be. And I may have characters who switch to the new powers that just came out.
I don't like having spent time and components on things I'm never going to use that I can't do anything with. Even if I could break them down into a fraction of their original worth, that would at least be better than the complete uselessness they are now.
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Originally Posted by PRAF68_EU
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I've been asking about this since they first announced new Lore pets. Because the Lore pets give a level shift people wanted to unlock and upgrade those so they could be more effective. I remember running the trials the first few days and seeing team wipes because everybody was level 50+1 and having a hard time with the mobs in trials. After higher tiers were unlocked the trials ran smoother and faster because mobs were no longer conning purple.
The devs gave free respecs when they changed the way powers work so I don't see why they shouldn't be able to create a way to breakdown a crafted incarnate power.
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Because it's a completely different issue.|
Originally Posted by Roboknee77
The devs gave free respecs when they changed the way powers work so I don't see why they shouldn't be able to create a way to breakdown a crafted incarnate power. |
Without a respec, there is no way to change what powers you have. You must respec to change your powers. Especially considering you can only earn so many in game (3/4) and the devs do not consider vet rewards with this kind of thing (and as it is, there are people with no available respecs remaining despite being 7 year vets, on certain characters)
Incarnate powers, you can simply craft a different one. You are not locked into it like other power choices.
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If you want to get a higer tier power, you kind of are locked into a power choice. Plus, I wouldn't call crafting an incarnate ability a simple process. Time and luck are required to accumulate the threads and salvage needed to craft each level. Twice if you want to create a tier 4 power.|
Originally Posted by Rajani Isa
Incarnate powers, you can simply craft a different one. You are not locked into it like other power choices.
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The devs created a small number of powers and linked a level shift to three of those powers. The Devs have proliferated some of those powers (and plan more) so they can be fit to themes or builds. And they tried to balance the powers so everybody wouldn't take the same power.
We've done the work already and then things were changed. I don't see why the devs can't create an incarnate respec so people can have more felxibilty and fun with their characters.
You know what, I'd be happy if that was a reward for finishing the last incarnate trial. It means people will play through content the devs want and not sit and wait until a power is made to fit a character before they start playing the end game. It also means that once they finish, they can make the character as they see fit.
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You and me both. I crafter 2 sets of T4 Radial Allies before they changed the mechanics of them. Kinda felt like bait -n- switch.
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Originally Posted by Jagged
I don't know about breaking them down but after upgrading my t3 Partial Core Improved Ally into a t4 Radial Superior Ally, I wish I could swap it back
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You are locked into an incarnate power just as much as you are locked into an enhancement slotting. Less, as if you later change your mind back after changing it the first time, you can go back without a hassle (lore excluded)
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I would love to see something in place where you can get back a portion of what was used to make an Incarnate power. For example a few characters took the Reactive I nterface damage res debuff power but would now take the new energy proc power because it fits them much more thematically or the end redux power..
I wish there was a way to at least get back some of the threads in that power or one of the rare pieces of salvage that it took forever to get..
I know that they can be unslotted and switched back and forth so you dont LOSE anything.. i just would like to be able to "de" craft a little,
The hard things I can do--- The impossible just take a little bit longer.
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