I agree. In fact, /ice would be my new favorite if Hoarfrost weren't so freaking and utterly awful for a stalker. Seriously, turn it into a clone of kuji-in sha (still a heal and still gives toxic resistance) and the set would be practically perfect. Also, chilling embrace shouldn't actively keep you from reentering hide while around enemies...
But ya, the set is like "Hello, I'm kind of like /sr. Wait, no, I'm kind of like /electric. Wait, I think I'm like /regen." 
This set will work great on scrappers once it is ported over, as they won't have problems with hoarfrost and will also get icicles.
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Nice to see others using ice armor for stalkers. I keep getting asked what I did to get ice on my stalker and how they can get it
So far I'm enjoying my Kin/Ice.
Currently level 19 and loving it, though I skipped Hoarfrost and I'm not sure about Chilling Embrace.
Can any of you tell me how important those powers are?
Hoarfrost is a heal on a very long timer. Probably the most skippable power in the set IMO.
Chilling Embrace is a nice power, but it will interfere with the use of Placate. It will also prevent you from going back into hidden state while it is affecting any enemy. If you tend to use Placate a lot, you might want to skip it. Otherwise it provides some nice mitigation.
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I know the reason for this attidtude, but it still gives ~400HP, which will do quite a bit, especially when Icy Bastion is up. Yes, +HP powers are less useful on stalkers than other ATs, but it's still useful, and a HUGE heal if you get low on health.
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Originally Posted by Supernumiphone
Hoarfrost is a heal on a very long timer. Probably the most skippable power in the set IMO.
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You can cap a stalker with Accolades and set bonuses.|
Originally Posted by Pyro_Master_NA
I know the reason for this attidtude, but it still gives ~400HP, which will do quite a bit, especially when Icy Bastion is up. Yes, +HP powers are less useful on stalkers than other ATs, but it's still useful, and a HUGE heal if you get low on health.
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Its why I skipped Overload on my stalker. (even though my build has room for it with no sacrafices)
When something good happens to me, I can never enjoy it....
I am always too busy looking for the inevitable punchline...
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Yeah even if I don't build for +HPs, after getting the accolades and IOs I'm usually 50 HP or less from the cap. So yeah, it's a nice heal but on a loooong timer.
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What about for a player who doesn't bother with accolades? I never do, so I'm curious if (given that) it would be a good choice. It seems to me that with a high recharge build it would be pretty close to a permanent HP increase?
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Originally Posted by Supernumiphone
Yeah even if I don't build for +HPs, after getting the accolades and IOs I'm usually 50 HP or less from the cap. So yeah, it's a nice heal but on a loooong timer.
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i have an ice armor tank atm but im partially considering rerolling him if they ever put ice armor out for brutes
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Completely unslotted and with no IO bonuses or accolades it takes you well over the stalker cap, meaning at absolute base part of the power is wasted. That is bad design. If they wanted to lower the +HP so that it would almost barely reach the cap with accolades, then significantly lower the recharge (along with duration) so that it could be actually used as a heal too, that would fix it. As it is, I feel embarrassed for the devs that they would allow this to remain in the set as is.
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Originally Posted by Pyro_Master_NA
I know the reason for this attidtude, but it still gives ~400HP, which will do quite a bit, especially when Icy Bastion is up. Yes, +HP powers are less useful on stalkers than other ATs, but it's still useful, and a HUGE heal if you get low on health.
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i think the pitiful stalker max hp cap is the base of the problem since regen stalkers run into this problem too with dull pain
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Originally Posted by Microcosm
Completely unslotted and with no IO bonuses or accolades it takes you well over the stalker cap, meaning at absolute base part of the power is wasted. That is bad design. If they wanted to lower the +HP so that it would almost barely reach the cap with accolades, then significantly lower the recharge (along with duration) so that it could be actually used as a heal too, that would fix it. As it is, I feel embarrassed for the devs that they would allow this to remain in the set as is.
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I love hoarfrost for the fact that it's more of an emergency button. If i'm getting low on HP i hit that and icy bastion and just enjoy the ride. My hoarfrost heals for around 951 so it can help when you in the redzone.
So I needn't worry about it until later on in the build. That's good to know.
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Originally Posted by Necrotech_Master
i think the pitiful stalker max hp cap is the base of the problem since regen stalkers run into this problem too with dull pain
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Originally Posted by Icesphere
I love hoarfrost for the fact that it's more of an emergency button. If i'm getting low on HP i hit that and icy bastion and just enjoy the ride. My hoarfrost heals for around 951 so it can help when you in the redzone.
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... rules the planet. This is what a T9 armor ability should be like.
Quick activation, no end crash, fast recharge (slotted and with sufficient global haste we are talking about @ 80 seconds before incarnate's are applied), and it does a bit of everything. When fully slotted the combination of +50 hp/sec regen, +55% resist (to all but psi), and 200% recovery makes this a kind of "mobile hibernate" IMO: you activate it and for about 30 seconds you are effectively indestructible. They should have named this the "I Win Button". Ice all around has been a surprise, but I thought this new T9 was worth mentioning. I'm not sure this set will replace /nin as the top performer, but it has so far been a pleasant ride. I just kinda think it's funny that stalkers got this crazy awesome power and tankers (brutes too when it gets ported) will have to make due with hibernate. I know the reasoning behind it, but honestly this should be the default T9 for -all- ice armors, it's just that good. |
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It's not that hard to perma. If you don't have accolades or much in the way of +HPs from IOs, I could see you getting some real benefit from the power.
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Originally Posted by Kinrad
What about for a player who doesn't bother with accolades? I never do, so I'm curious if (given that) it would be a good choice. It seems to me that with a high recharge build it would be pretty close to a permanent HP increase?
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Originally Posted by Supernumiphone
It's not that hard to perma. If you don't have accolades or much in the way of +HPs from IOs, I could see you getting some real benefit from the power.
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Or should the shame be that Stalker HP cap is so damn low?
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My Ice Tanker is jealous. I'd trade Hibernate for Icy Bastion in a heartbeat.
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I just created a spines/ice stalker and am playing it off as 'ice spikes' through the ice armor. She is only level 5, but the character looks good.
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My stalker can has both, neener neener. At least you get icicles and can actually use hoarfrost.
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My Ice Tanker is jealous. I'd trade Hibernate for Icy Bastion in a heartbeat.
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Yeah, I'm waiting for scrappers to get ice armor to do the same thing. I never thought that spines would ever look good, but the customization is nice. Ice spike melee ftw!|
Originally Posted by Kinrad
I just created a spines/ice stalker and am playing it off as 'ice spikes' through the ice armor. She is only level 5, but the character looks good.
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(now if they could only do something about the barbed swipe and impale animations....
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I was never much of a spines/ person. But I am kinda curious what your toon looks like.
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I was never much of a spines/ person. But I am kinda curious what your toon looks like.
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If they would only let us color the green "toxic Trails" when you fire off some of the spines attacks 
The heavy FX of ice armor do help with this some though.
On a side note, Spine/ is big fun on the death from below trial with AS for the tough baddies and a critting spine burst at lvl 4 for the minions.
... rules the planet. This is what a T9 armor ability should be like.
Quick activation, no end crash, fast recharge (slotted and with sufficient global haste we are talking about @ 80 seconds before incarnate's are applied), and it does a bit of everything. When fully slotted the combination of +50 hp/sec regen, +55% resist (to all but psi), and 200% recovery makes this a kind of "mobile hibernate" IMO: you activate it and for about 30 seconds you are effectively indestructible. They should have named this the "I Win Button".
Ice all around has been a surprise, but I thought this new T9 was worth mentioning. I'm not sure this set will replace /nin as the top performer, but it has so far been a pleasant ride. I just kinda think it's funny that stalkers got this crazy awesome power and tankers (brutes too when it gets ported) will have to make due with hibernate. I know the reasoning behind it, but honestly this should be the default T9 for -all- ice armors, it's just that good.