Knockback Protection from IO's Question
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Posted on: 2011-10-06 13:19 in Player Questions
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4 is normally enough. I rarely get bounced around with just one of those.
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Originally Posted by Ultimus
For characters that have no access to Knockback protection, how many points of protection do you need to be protected from 90% of the KB in the game? Just curious how many IO's I'd need to buy.
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This is like having Ra's Al Ghul show up at your birthday party.
More importantly, while 4 points protection is good for much of the game, 8 points protection does not cover very much more than that. Most people advocate 4 points or if you really want as much protection as possible, go 12 with karma/steadfast/BotZ.
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I personally always slot for 12 points of knockback protection. While 4 points will protect you from 80% of the knockback in the game, 12 points will protect you from knockback from Rikti pylons and Hamidon, among others.
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Originally Posted by Organica
More importantly, while 4 points protection is good for much of the game, 8 points protection does not cover very much more than that. Most people advocate 4 points or if you really want as much protection as possible, go 12 with karma/steadfast/BotZ.
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I had 4 on my defender and 8 on my fire/fire tank. I didn't notice any difference.
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I think Hami's KB is mag 13, which isn't quite covered by 3 IOs, but I may be mistaken.
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Originally Posted by Celestial_Lord
I personally always slot for 12 points of knockback protection. While 4 points will protect you from 80% of the knockback in the game, 12 points will protect you from knockback from Rikti pylons and Hamidon, among others.
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What about when fighting higher level mobs? Would 4 cover that? Like if you fought +4's...
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Note this 4 pts of protection, or 1 IO; not 4 IOs.
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Originally Posted by SwellGuy
4 is normally enough. I rarely get bounced around with just one of those.
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The typical melee status protection that provides knockback protection usually gives about 10 points. So if you have a set that provides no knockback and want equivalent then you'll likely go for three of the 4pt -KB IO's or stack an equivalent number in set bonuses if possible.
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I have 7 on my fire/db tank and that is definitely not enough. I get knocked around all the time.
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Melee in-set knockback protection (with the exception of Grounded from Elec Armor) also has 10,000% knockback resistance, which essentially turns that knockback into mag zero before the protection's even applied. As an example, Recluse's Spider Smash power on the STF will KB my Defender, who has 26 points of protection slotted, but it won't touch pretty much any melee with in-set KB protection.
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Originally Posted by Kyriani
The typical melee status protection that provides knockback protection usually gives about 10 points. So if you have a set that provides no knockback and want equivalent then you'll likely go for three of the 4pt -KB IO's or stack an equivalent number in set bonuses if possible.
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Originally Posted by macskull
Melee in-set knockback protection (with the exception of Grounded from Elec Armor) also has 10,000% knockback resistance, which essentially turns that knockback into mag zero before the protection's even applied. As an example, Recluse's Spider Smash power on the STF will KB my Defender, who has 26 points of protection slotted, but it won't touch pretty much any melee with in-set KB protection.
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Melee tends to get outright KB protection for the few cases of unresistible Knock-back in the game.
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Originally Posted by Organica
More importantly, while 4 points protection is good for much of the game, 8 points protection does not cover very much more than that. Most people advocate 4 points or if you really want as much protection as possible, go 12 with karma/steadfast/BotZ.
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"Essentially" nothing! Knockback resistance works the same way damage resistance does; 100% KB resistance would reduce the KB to 0. 10,000% is overkill.
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Originally Posted by macskull
Melee in-set knockback protection (with the exception of Grounded from Elec Armor) also has 10,000% knockback resistance, which essentially turns that knockback into mag zero before the protection's even applied.
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I've been noticing more and more KB on a lot of my characters that only have 4 points protection. I suspect the old adage about 4 points being enough for most of the KB in the game is really old data that went out the window recently (possibly with the introduction of Going Rogue?)
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Originally Posted by GavinRuneblade
I have 7 on my fire/db tank and that is definitely not enough. I get knocked around all the time.
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My Fire Armor scrapper had 4 points of knockback protection, from a single IO. In levelling her to 50, I got knocked back once by some Council or Fifth Column (two grenades at once) and several times by Fake Nemesis robots.
This was less than 1% of my journey to 50 and beyond.
I'd say 4 is perfectly adequate. The occasional knockback doesn't hurt you, just makes you feel toguher and more heroic. 
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Check you combat attributes. Some people have reported a bug with some KB protection not working recently. Only post I can find right off but I believe there were some others.
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Originally Posted by Willowpaw
I've been noticing more and more KB on a lot of my characters that only have 4 points protection. I suspect the old adage about 4 points being enough for most of the KB in the game is really old data that went out the window recently (possibly with the introduction of Going Rogue?)
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Good to know. But I have had the issue of 7 points of KB not being enough for more than 6 months so not sure if that counts as "recently" or not.
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Originally Posted by StarGeek
Check you combat attributes. Some people have reported a bug with some KB protection not working recently. Only post I can find right off but I believe there were some others.
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I don't know of any KB effects that are greater than MAG 4 but less than MAG 8. That's why people say either stop at MAG 4 or go to MAG 12, there just isn't anything between MAG 4 & 8 so 2 IO's don't do more for you than 1.|
Originally Posted by GavinRuneblade
Good to know. But I have had the issue of 7 points of KB not being enough for more than 6 months so not sure if that counts as "recently" or not.
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You may have the freak KB from two effects landing in the same server tic once in a blue moon but since KB has no duration you aren't going to get two KB attacks land simultaneously very often.
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Originally Posted by Call Me Awesome
I don't know of any KB effects that are greater than MAG 4 but less than MAG 8. That's why people say either stop at MAG 4 or go to MAG 12, there just isn't anything between MAG 4 & 8 so 2 IO's don't do more for you than 1.
You may have the freak KB from two effects landing in the same server tic once in a blue moon but since KB has no duration you aren't going to get two KB attacks land simultaneously very often. |
I didn't build with the idea of having 7. I didn't build with any goal at all, never do. I just happen to have 7, and can say that as a tank, 4 is definitely not enough. I get knocked around a lot. It is rare that I go 3 missions in a row without having issues. And on the iTrials I'm on the ground more than on my feet in some spawns.
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My SS/Fire brute has 7 points
He occasionally gets knock around, but it is rare.
I'll be upping him to 11-14 next respec.
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For characters that have no access to Knockback protection, how many points of protection do you need to be protected from 90% of the KB in the game? Just curious how many IO's I'd need to buy.