Haven't recieved my 400 points for this month yet...
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Posted on: 2011-10-01 09:27 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
I understand where you're coming from, Liquid, but it's simply based on your billing date (or, it is supposedly going to be, after the 11th).
Remember that the Rewards Tokens have taken care of a vet's length of prior subscription. The points are just tie to our billing date. Plus, people with late billing dates received their first allotment early!
So, that concern goes both ways, I suppose.
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I paid for my account the earliest possible date anyone could ever pay for their account (April 28th, 2004). If someone paid for theirs 3 days after me (May 1st, 2004), they get their points 27 days earlier.|
Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
That's not an advantage, that's just means one person started paying for his account 27 days before the other.
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| The fact remains they both have to wait the same length of time to get their points. No one is at a disadvantage. |
Date, Joe's point total, Steve's point total
9/14, 1750, 1750
10/11, 1750, 2300
10/28, 2300, 2300
11/1, 2300, 2850
11/28, 2850, 2850
12/1, 2850, 3400
12/28, 3400, 3400
After all the wackiness with September and October gets sorted out, Steve winds up with 1 month's allotment of points 27 days before Joe. If he got it 30 days before Joe, nobody could argue that he didn't actually get 1 month's allotment of points more than Joe. How is this not an advantage?
Again, it's not that big of a deal to me. I'm just trying to make sure you understand what I'm saying.
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Yes I see your numbers and as they clearly show (except for the Oct 11) that there is no advantage. Everyone is getting exactly what they were promised, when they were promised.|
Originally Posted by Liquid
I paid for my account the earliest possible date anyone could ever pay their account (April 28th, 2004). If someone paid for theirs 3 days after me (May 1st, 2004), they get their points earlier.
Joe subs on April 28th, 2004, and never goes inactive. Steve subs on May 1st, 2004, and never goes inactive. Date, Joe's point total, Steve's point total 9/14, 1750, 1750 10/11, 1750, 2300 10/28, 2300, 2300 11/1, 2300, 2850 11/28, 2850, 2850 12/1, 2850, 3400 12/28, 3400, 3400 After all the wackiness with September and October gets sorted out, Steve winds up with 1 month's allotment of points 27 days before Joe. If he got it 30 days before Joe, nobody could argue that he didn't actually get 1 month's allotment of points more than Joe. How is this not an advantage? Again, it's not that big of a deal to me. I'm just trying to make sure you understand what I'm saying. |
Now you might be able to make an argument if the devs said they were only going to add things to the store on the first Friday of the month. Then you could make the argument that players with earlier subs had an advantage of buying stuff sooner. But the devs haven't said anything like that.
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Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
Yes I see your numbers and as they clearly show (except for the Oct 11) that there is no advantage.
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| Then you could make the argument that players with earlier subs had an advantage of buying stuff sooner. |
Joe subscribed on April 28th, 2004. Steve subscribed on May 1st, 2004. Yet despite subscribing 3 days before Steve, Joe gets his points 27 days later than Steve does.
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The problem is, it doesn't matter when they first subscribed, nor how long they subscribed for (ignoring the T8 bonus PP), as long as it was before Freedom - technically, in your example, before July, when the prerelease bonuses started. What matters is that both of them were subscribed from July, onward, and from that point is what the game is looking at now.
-- Joe and Steve started subscribing to Freedom on the same day: September 13.
-- After the weird months of September (both got points on the 14th) and October (Steve gets points on the 11th and Joe gets points on the 28th), Steve will get his points on 1st and Joe will get his points on the 28th.
-- Due to the way NCsoft handles game cancellations, you will typically have more than a month's notice to the end of the game, and the last month typically does not reward any bonuses. Thus Steve's points on Penultimate Month 1st and Joe's points on Penultimate Month 28th correspond to the same number of total free points in Last Month of Game.
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No. You are misunderstanding. It doesn't matter who joined first prior to Sept 13th, 2011. Simply claiming there is a problem doesn't make it true. You haven't offered any proof that one player is better off than the other. The imaginary problem is imaginary.|
Originally Posted by Liquid
Based on these two statements, I think you're still misunderstanding what I am saying. Joe subscribed before Steve. Steve did not subscribe first.
Joe subscribed on April 28th, 2004. Steve subscribed on May 1st, 2004. Yet despite subscribing 3 days before Steve, Joe gets his points 27 days later than Steve does. |
We've known since June that we'd be getting our points on our billing date. All veterans had plenty of time to adjust their billing dates if this was going to be something that was going to get their panties in a bunch.
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It's not the points I'm talking about, Forbin. I know those should award on my billing date this month. It's the Rewards token timing I find odd. (I really want those stupid Celestial wings for my Electric dom. XD)
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Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
No. The only way you won't get points on Oct 14th is if you let your account lapse on Sept 14th for 30 days and reactivated it on Oct 14th.
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Yes it does, that sets the billing date. People who subscribed prior to July, and happened to subscribe toward the end of the month, are getting their points later than people who happened to subscribe toward the beginning of the month, even if the people subscribing toward the end of the month actually subscribed in an earlier month.|
Originally Posted by Aggelakis
The problem is, it doesn't matter when they first subscribed, nor how long they subscribed for (ignoring the T8 bonus PP), as long as it was before Freedom - technically, in your example, before July, when the prerelease bonuses started.
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You're kind of jumping in here-- the reason I'm specifying the exact subscription date is because Forbin is saying that "people who subscribe earlier get points earlier", but that's not true. It's arbitrarily assigned to the day of the month that you first subscribed at. So people who subscribed at the earliest possible date, April 28th, 2004, are at a disadvantage.
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Originally Posted by Aggelakis
-- Joe and Steve started subscribing to Freedom on the same day: September 13.
-- After the weird months of September (both got points on the 14th) and October (Steve gets points on the 11th and Joe gets points on the 28th), Steve will get his points on 1st and Joe will get his points on the 28th. |
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| -- Due to the way NCsoft handles game cancellations, you will typically have more than a month's notice to the end of the game, and the last month typically does not reward any bonuses. Thus Steve's points on Penultimate Month 1st and Joe's points on Penultimate Month 28th correspond to the same number of total free points in Last Month of Game. |
Sure, maybe NCSoft will decide to end the game on the 27th and not give Steve his points on the 1st, which would technically result in the same number of points, but would be kind of a dick move to Steve, and still doesn't make up for years of Joe getting points 27 days later than he could have if he'd only subscribed 3 days later than he actually did, or cancelled his sub for 3 days at some point prior to July 2011.
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Awarding the points at the end of the subscription cycle wouldn't make any sense. A lot of people only play a month at a time and they'd want those points while they are playing not the day their sub runs out.
I wasn't subbed anywhere near the 14th, I renewed like last week and I got my 400 points the instant I gave them my money. That's how it should work, you give them your money at the beginning of each cycle, they give you your time and points.
The old veteran rewards worked differently because that was based on time played.
If I may quote Zwil from earlier today in another thread about this subject:
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Originally Posted by Zwillinger
Hey guys,
I'm being brought up to speed on exactly how this is all working. We'll get an official post explaining everything ASAP. As far as I was aware, PP were to be awarded on your billing cycle date, which is what I originally communicated. I do apologize if there was confusion caused by the rewarding of Paragon Points on differing dates and we'll work to clarify this and the Reward Token schedule ASAP. |
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I have offered proof that, beginning in November and from that point forward, one player is getting their points 27 days before the other, despite the first player having subbed at an earlier date. This is not imaginary. It is fact, given the information we have been provided, and that you have accepted.|
Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
No. You are misunderstanding. It doesn't matter who joined first prior to Sept 13th, 2011. Simply claiming there is a problem doesn't make it true. You haven't offered any proof that one player is better off than the other. The imaginary problem is imaginary.
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You clearly understand me, but have decided that this is an argument for some reason, and that you must win it.
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| We've known since June that we'd be getting our points on our billing date. |
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| All veterans had plenty of time to adjust their billing dates if this was going to be something that was going to get their panties in a bunch. |
Once again, this is not that big of a deal to me. I asked for clarification, got it, and expressed minor disappointment. I was then told that I was wrong. I clarified. I was again told that I was wrong. I further clarified. Now I am being insulted because I tried to explain myself. Poor form. I don't see any need to continue speaking with you.
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Originally Posted by Liquid
Once again, this is not that big of a deal to me. I asked for clarification, got it, and expressed minor disappointment. I was then told that I was wrong. I clarified. I was again told that I was wrong. I further clarified.
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As I've said repeatedly, I was trying to make sure that I was understood.|
Originally Posted by LISAR
"This totally isn't a big deal but I'm gonna go on and on and on and on..."
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What did I do to you, exactly, that made you feel the need to pile on?
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Another monkey-wrench in all of this is that anyone whose billing date is between October 1 and October 10, will have to wait until the 11th (per a support response in another thread), to recieve their poitns... so to simply say it all has to do with billing date is patently untrue at this point.
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No, proof would be a dev statement that they are only adding new items to the store on a specific date each month. That way you could point to it and say players that get their points before this date have an advantage over players that get their points later in the month.|
Originally Posted by Liquid
I have offered proof that, beginning in November and from that point forward, one player is getting their points 27 days before the other, despite the first player having subbed at an earlier date. This is not imaginary. It is fact, given the information we have been provided, and that you have accepted.
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Players simply getting points 27 days apart is not an advantage or disadvantage.
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If I had to guess it's because you've been going on and on and on over something you keep claiming isn't a big deal.|
Originally Posted by Liquid
As I've said repeatedly, I was trying to make sure that I was understood.
What did I do to you, exactly, that made you feel the need to pile on? |
But I'm just guessing at her motivations.
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My next account billing date is in, like, june. |
Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
The headstart covers the month of September. All points after September will be awarded on your accounts billing date.
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Heh.|
Originally Posted by Slaunyeh
My next account billing date is in, like, june.
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I was just thinking of someone panicking in February because their billing date
falls on the 29th thru the 31st.
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Except in October... in which case, anyone whose billing date is between the 1st and the 10th will recieve theirs on the 11th. It is yet to be seen what months after that will look like.|
Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
The headstart covers the month of September. All points after September will be awarded on your accounts billing date.
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Zwill is drafting an explanation post.
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I figure for the most part they will look like 30 to 31 days long, and there will probably be one exception just to annoy people. |
Originally Posted by Thirty-Seven
It is yet to be seen what months after that will look like.
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Thanks man... Lemme guess, the vexing month will be Smarch and have 32 days?
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Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
I figure for the most part they will look like 30 to 31 days long, and there will probably be one exception just to annoy people.
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As I still do not have my 550 points, I am excited to see what Zwill has to say on the matter. I expect you correct and I will get them on the 10th, which is not a big deal for me. Now, if I did not have enough to Buy street Justice today (if it is in the store) then it would be a big deal to me.
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Originally Posted by Thirty-Seven
Except in October... in which case, anyone whose billing date is between the 1st and the 10th will recieve theirs on the 11th. It is yet to be seen what months after that will look like.
Zwill is drafting an explanation post. |
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OK, here's something I don't get: Players who had kept a constant subscription since that started being counted were expected to have 1200 Paragon Points. When Freedom launched, I was given a whopping 1950 points. I don't know where that came from, I don't know where that came from, but I'm pretty sure it's not because I signed up for six months on September 1st. 6 months' worth of Paragon Points would have come up to an EXTRA 2400 points, if not an extra 3300 with my T9 VIP status. So... What caused this?
Furthermore, after purchasing a few things off the Market last month, I ended up with 870 Paragon Points. Then came what would have been my next bill date, had I been on a monthly billing cycle - October 1st, and I got no extra points. Then came October 2nd, and I didn't get anything then, either, so it's not a case of delays. It's October 4th today, and I still see no extra Paragon Points. So... What happened to them? I'm pre-paid for 6 months since September 1st, so when am I going to start seeing Paragon Points from that subscription? I certainly didn't see them all once at my initial bill date and I don't see them being doled out to me per month, so... When can I expect to see those points?
I don't mean to be a troll here, but I kind of sort of paid for these points and I'm not seeing them on my account. This concerns me.
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Originally Posted by Liquid
As I've said repeatedly, I was trying to make sure that I was understood.
What did I do to you, exactly, that made you feel the need to pile on? |
Again, not a big deal, but weird when it means people who have been active since release get their points 27 days later.
The fact remains they both have to wait the same length of time to get their points. No one is at a disadvantage.