Let us use the IO's we already slotted on our free accounts

/signed

Despite the utter stupidity of the question, which has ZERO to do with the playability of sets on IOs ... In several of my characters - and I'm talking 50s, since it should be *fairly bloody obvious* the lower levels in my 300-ish characters are going to be running on TO/DO/SOs - yes, they're still running SO-only or SO-heavy builds.

The last character I ran through the Alpha unlock was a Sonic/Sonic defender on pure SOs. I've run Peacebringers through on SOs, as well as an Ice/Psy dom. Others have a mix. Very few are heavily SO'd.

Plus, of course, Issue 0-Issue 9 - when both COH and COV were running, people were PVPing, and every AT (I believe even VEATs) were in the game - were SO only. If any were gimped or unplayable, *they would have been fixed or not released before IOs even existed.*

Last character I unlocked alpha on - solo build (which is what I used.)
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Pure SOs. No problems at all.

Another, alpha unlocked:
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Most of one set (which doesn't make a huge difference) and a few commons. Oh no, not 3 whole minutes to replace those - if I'd even bother. The rest? SOs. Still soloed, and does perfectly fine in the rest of the game, too.

Hell, this one still has the Fitness power pool:
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I can dig up the others, but they've had Alpha a bit longer, and/or have had other degrees of IOing since then... but I'd still have absolutely *zero* problem playing them on SOs. I usually do when I fire up a second (or third) build first ANYWAY, before sinking any money into IOs, even for those I'd *want* to do a heavier IO investment in.

See my Guides and Tutorials

Purely coincidence. Fit what I wanted for the character. All three are squishy, all three do support - hover keeps me out of melee if I want to avoid it.
*shrug* Or don't worry about it.
Most of mine are mixed common IOs, SOs, maybe bits of a set. Hardly anything going to straight SOs would make a big difference in... and I'd bet, quite frankly, that I'm in the same situation as the *majority of the game.*
Gee, didn't I mention that on that very build? Let's re-quote that:

Gee, look at that! And how extensive? *Most of one set, which doesn't make a huge difference, and a few commons.* Perhaps you should try reading everything before trying to make some sort of counter out of something I said flat out - and said flat out it wouldn't make a difference to just replace with SOs.

However, the "point" Heated - and by extension with your questioning, you - were trying to make about anything being unplayable without IOs is, unsurprisingly, *wrong.*

The ATs and powersets are built around SOs.

All the content - save Apex/Tin Mage, which is punitive for anyone without an Alpha slot slotted, and (for obvious reasons) Incarnate content - is based on SOs (TOs/DOs for earlier content.)

People did the content for years without IOs. Most of that content is still in the game. Those very groups are still in the game, just as they were. Hell, people soloed GMs on SOs.

IOs are not needed for - well, anything. They are a luxury.

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Heck, even my *main* isn't all IO'd out. She still has most of her build filled with pre-i9 Hamidon enhancements. What few common IOs she has could easily be replaced with SOs for basically the same performance. The only special IO she has is the Zephyr -KB, and I can pay 100pp for an attuned Karma -KB that would still function outside of the Invention System License.

You can buy 400pp for $5 and get IOs for two months, with some pp left over. Are you really that up in arms about $5 every other month? Plus every 1200pp you buy gets you a reward token.

Alternately you can buy 1320pp for $15 and get IOs for eight months and some change. That's the same as subscribing for one month, plus it gets you a reward token.

Originally Posted by Dispari I don't know why Dink thinks she's not as sexy as Jay was. In 5 posts she's already upstaged his entire career.

Even so, what part of Free to Play implies free to use Invention Origin enhancements?

The attuned Karma -KB and Steadfast -KB you can buy on the Paragon Market work even if you don't have the IO license. They're 125pp each (about a dollar fifty).

Originally Posted by Dispari I don't know why Dink thinks she's not as sexy as Jay was. In 5 posts she's already upstaged his entire career.

If that's true about all the attuned IO's on the PM then there's even less reason for people to complain. As the devs add more attuned IO's they can still IO out their characters and not worry about the license.

Ok, the smiley at the end should have been a sign for you to realize I was joking with you. Perhaps you should try reading everything before coming back with snarky answers.

Welcome to ignore.

That :P comes off more as "I'm catching you out in something," not "Joking with," frankly.

... says the person who takes "No character is gimped or unplayable with SOs" and somehow thinks "So every one of your characters is on SOs" is a logical response. Gotcha. Or who says the same thing back to me ("Your character even has IOs in it!") that I said when posting that build ("This one has a few IOs, but nothing extensive.")

No skin off my nose. Be sure to get the underscore. I keep it there for the heck of it, but it can be missed with underlined links. Never felt like changing it.

Quite frankly, I'm glad people are going to have to start playing with SOs again. Get more people to play their *character* instead of trying to play their IOs.

See my Guides and Tutorials

Quoted solely to keep the lines of communication open after someone has been ignored.

Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison See, it's gems like these that make me check Claws' post history every once in a while to make sure I haven't missed anything good lately.

If the devs gave for free everything to free/premium players that paying customers get there's no incentive to being a paying customer.

Bottom line:

If you had an inactive account prior to Freedom, you weren't using that account unless you paid.

Post Freedom, you can play the account albeit with limitations but still less so limitations than someone who is starting out from the beginning.

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I'd agree with that.

Yes it is true. Any of the IOs you buy in the market work with or without the Invention system. They really aren't stupid enough to sell something to people that can't use it.

What would an "enhancement slotter" be?

The problem with us making reasonable compromises is the Standard Code Rant. None of us have seen the code, none of us have worked on it, and none of us have any idea how much work it would take to make it happen. And it may not be possible at all.

I don't believe that the Devs worked on this stuff for over a year and never considered the stuff brought up in these threads. For most of it, they probably looked at different options and chose the easiest. Not because they are lazy, but because their time is limited and there were things that had to be done, like designing and creating the Market, the Reward system, new arcs, new costumes, new zones, etc.

When it came to something like the Invention system, they may or may not be able to just turn off the set bonuses. But if it is possible, they had to trade off the time doing something like that would take against all the other stuff the programmers absolutely needed to do. The fact that we think it would be a reasonable compromise means absolutely nothing.

The only way I could see that happening is if they didn't just disable set bonuses, but disabled everything that wasn't direct enhancement strength. That means no set bonuses, no procs, no global bonuses, nothing that doesn't buff attribute strength within a single power like a conventional enhancement.

I'm not saying that would necessarily be a good idea, I'm just saying that's the only way I could see this happening at all.

I was a bit surprised that they hadn't implemented something like this when they first announced the IO limitations. But as was mentioned, SCR does apply. Should they ever get something like this to function properly it would probably have to be set along the lines Arcana mentioned, disabling procs and global effects as well.

Originally Posted by PapaSlade Rangle's right....this is fun.

You keep your original build, yes.

And your second (or third builds) can be different from your first - not just the enhancements. You can pick different powers, pools, etc (obviously your primary and secondary powersets can't be changed...)

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Originally Posted by Nights_Dawn Hazy is right

Disregarding the fact that you jumped way ahead in your conclusions, what if they lowered the required tier for you to be able to have IO access?

Originally Posted by Nights_Dawn Hazy is right

I would not be against them lowering the tier.