Catalyst 11.9
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Ambush_EU,
Posted on: 2011-09-28 10:35 in ALL ACCESS Gameplay Technical Issues Bugs
Thanks for the settings suggestions...
I have another (maybe dumb) question:
Whenever I switch between the game and desktop, I have to open up the catalyst and "reactivate" the settings for the desktop's brightness/contrast/gamma. How can I get the settings to "stick"? (WinXP, 32 bit, radion 5700 series, new LG monitor)
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Installed 11.9, then did two TFs (Citadel and ITF) back to back (combined time about 3 hours) with no problems at all. Before, running 11.4, I would crash a few times an hour. Looks like the problem is resolved.
Since i installed the 11.9 drivers the client hasn't frozen or crashed once and seems to run smoother. For me at least these are the best drivers yet.
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FYI I am hearing that the current ATI driver that fixes CoH doesn't work with the new game Rage...
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Not my problem. Hassle ATI to get their drivers to work with other games.
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Originally Posted by Hy-Beams
FYI I am hearing that the current ATI driver that fixes CoH doesn't work with the new game Rage...
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If the game spit out 20 dollar bills people would complain that they weren't sequentially numbered. If they were sequentially numbered people would complain that they weren't random enough.
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Now to get this new ATI driver out for OS X Lion machines ...
It's the end. But the moment has been prepared for ...
Still no luck, getting intermittent hard locks (not even permitting Windows to create a memory dump or a bsod), but they have become very random. At first i could play for 3-4+ hours without incident, other times it's 5 minutes, 20 minutes, one hour...
So after reading still mostly positive posts about 11.9 solving all the problems I thought maybe it was just me, so I tried again, using the settings posted in this thread.
As soon as someone activated their powers next to me in Wentworths I blue screen crashed again, after only 10 minutes of play.
So yeah - I guess I'll have to stick with 11.3 but wanted to post here as I got the impression the Devs think that the AMD issues are all fixed.
Fingers crossed for 11.10 I guess....
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So, how did you install 11.9? |
Originally Posted by Ambush_EU
So after reading still mostly positive posts about 11.9 solving all the problems I thought maybe it was just me, so I tried again, using the settings posted in this thread.
As soon as someone activated their powers next to me in Wentworths I blue screen crashed again, after only 10 minutes of play. So yeah - I guess I'll have to stick with 11.3 but wanted to post here as I got the impression the Devs think that the AMD issues are all fixed. Fingers crossed for 11.10 I guess.... |
Did you upgrade over the top of the existing drivers?
Did you uninstall the old drivers then simply install the new drivers?
Or did you uninstall the old drivers, boot into Safe Mode and run Driver Sweeper (or a similar utility), boot into normal Windows and install the new drivers?
If it wasn't the last one then you aren't doing it right.
If the game spit out 20 dollar bills people would complain that they weren't sequentially numbered. If they were sequentially numbered people would complain that they weren't random enough.
Black Pebble is my new hero.
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The only thing I didn't do was run driver sweeper in safe mode. I just uninstalled, rebooted, ran driver sweeper, rebooted, installed 11.9 and rebooted again.|
Originally Posted by Texas Justice
So, how did you install 11.9?
Did you upgrade over the top of the existing drivers? Did you uninstall the old drivers then simply install the new drivers? Or did you uninstall the old drivers, boot into Safe Mode and run Driver Sweeper (or a similar utility), boot into normal Windows and install the new drivers? If it wasn't the last one then you aren't doing it right. |
I'll try running driver sweeper in safe mode tomorrow and see if it makes any difference, thanks.
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I can see doing this when DOWN-grading drivers. I still wonder why this is ever necessary when UP-grading a driver from the same company that wrote the previous drivers. Is the answer simply that they suck or are careless at writing the install/uninstall programs?
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Originally Posted by Texas Justice
If it wasn't the last one then you aren't doing it right.
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The only way to be 100% sure that the newly installed drivers are being used properly would be to remove all traces of previous drivers. And that's what these driver sweeper/cleaner tools try to accomplish.
After staying at the very stable 11.2 drivers for quite awhile now, I upgraded to the 11.9s(clean install and everything) and have had no problems with crashing. I alt-tab out all the time to surf and watch YouTube and do all kinds of stuff, no crashes. Have not noticed an increase nor a decrease in FPS. So far it looks like the 11.9s are a success.
(For the record, I'm on Win7 64bit using a Radeon 5850 1GB)
HOWEVER. The AMD drivers still suffer from another long-standing bug:
This image is cropped and blown up a bit for clarity. Do you see the lines around the tables, chairs, and character model there? Here's another image, in thumb form. Click to see it in full-size:
This is a graphical bug that we'd had for awhile, was fixed at some point, then came back just a couple of months later. This has been a problem in-game for a long while now! The lines are "transparent", and occur in textures that are at least partially transparent themselves. Think of it as sort of a very thin x-ray line that surrounds objects placed in front of partially transparent textures. These pictures are just a couple of examples. Other examples are pretty much every cape in the game, and when things like cobwebs are on-screen.
If I turn antialiasing off, the x-ray lines go away. Alternatively, if I instead turn ambient occlusion off(but leave AA on), they will also go away. I should not have to pick between these two settings. My computer is able to handle both, and I would like to be able to use both without these graphical glitches.
I'm very glad the crashing might have finally been fixed. But there's still more to be done.
Also, FPARN because I can.
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Please advise on how to do ^^this^^ on OS X Lion.
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Originally Posted by Tex
The only way to be 100% sure that the newly installed drivers are being used properly would be to remove all traces of previous drivers. And that's what these driver sweeper/cleaner tools try to accomplish.
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It's the end. But the moment has been prepared for ...
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First, you have to convince someone to write a utility to do such a thing on OS X. Does anyone actually write free utilites for OS X?|
Originally Posted by Redlynne
Please advise on how to do ^^this^^ on OS X Lion.
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Then you install that utility.
Then you use that utility in the prescribed manner.
If the game spit out 20 dollar bills people would complain that they weren't sequentially numbered. If they were sequentially numbered people would complain that they weren't random enough.
Black Pebble is my new hero.
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Occaisionally there are files in the older driver that have a different name than the files in the newer drivers or are put in a different location than where the newer driver puts them.|
Originally Posted by Zem
I can see doing this when DOWN-grading drivers. I still wonder why this is ever necessary when UP-grading a driver from the same company that wrote the previous drivers. Is the answer simply that they suck or are careless at writing the install/uninstall programs?
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Both situations can cause problems, especially the latter example since Wiindows doesn't know which of those locations to look at when something calls for that file.
In my experience, it is very rare for any hardware vendor to write an uninstall program for their drivers and software that fully removes all of their files.
Having worked in Technical Support for a hardware vendor in the past, one of the first steps in getting a products drivers and software to install correctly was to uninstall the previous installation attempt that failed for whatever reason (usually due to people not following the directions to Insert CD First or Insert CD Before Connecting Cables). To completely uninstall it we usually had to walk them through the registry (a scary proposition with some of our customers) as well as manually deleting files and folders. When we asked the software engineers to write the uninstall utility to do this or to write a separate utility to remove these traces, our requests were denied.
That's been my experience with hardware and software since I started dealing with computers in the 1980's. I still have to manually remove parts of drivers and software I've uninstalled since the uninstallers often don't remove everything.
If the game spit out 20 dollar bills people would complain that they weren't sequentially numbered. If they were sequentially numbered people would complain that they weren't random enough.
Black Pebble is my new hero.
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Didn't mean to imply that it was any one's fault. Just letting people know since it is new game they may have gotten (like me).
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Originally Posted by Texas Justice
Not my problem. Hassle ATI to get their drivers to work with other games.
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I used to get this only on specific servers, but now I am seeing it on all of them. I have tried setting the card as the primary, and letting the game be primary, and neither setting seems to make a difference. |
Originally Posted by Kyasubaru
After staying at the very stable 11.2 drivers for quite awhile now, I upgraded to the 11.9s(clean install and everything) and have had no problems with crashing. ... Have not noticed an increase nor a decrease in FPS. So far it looks like the 11.9s are a success...
HOWEVER. The AMD drivers still suffer from another long-standing bug: This image is cropped and blown up a bit for clarity. Do you see the lines around the tables, chairs, and character model there? Here's another image, in thumb form. Click to see it in full-size: This is a graphical bug that we'd had for awhile, was fixed at some point, then came back just a couple of months later. This has been a problem in-game for a long while now! The lines are "transparent", and occur in textures that are at least partially transparent themselves. Think of it as sort of a very thin x-ray line that surrounds objects placed in front of partially transparent textures. These pictures are just a couple of examples. Other examples are pretty much every cape in the game, and when things like cobwebs are on-screen. If I turn antialiasing off, the x-ray lines go away. Alternatively, if I instead turn ambient occlusion off(but leave AA on), they will also go away. I should not have to pick between these two settings. My computer is able to handle both, and I would like to be able to use both without these graphical glitches. I'm very glad the crashing might have finally been fixed. But there's still more to be done. Also, FPARN because I can. |
Same thing with FSAA/Occlusion settings, have to choose one or the other. If I leave it with both settings on, the lines create that crazy line effect that you see when a news anchor wears a herringbone patterned suit. It's bad, and makes my eyes hurt.
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Hi Just want to say thanks for the advice Texas Justice. After following your instructions to run Driver Sweeper in safe mode it seems to have done the trick! I've just enjoyed a whole evening's play without crashing 
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Just adding that I'm seeing this also, running on Win7 64 with a 6870. Running 11.9, uninstalled previous drivers and ran driver sweeper in safe mode before installing.|
Originally Posted by Kyasubaru
After staying at the very stable 11.2 drivers for quite awhile now, I upgraded to the 11.9s(clean install and everything) and have had no problems with crashing. I alt-tab out all the time to surf and watch YouTube and do all kinds of stuff, no crashes. Have not noticed an increase nor a decrease in FPS. So far it looks like the 11.9s are a success.
(For the record, I'm on Win7 64bit using a Radeon 5850 1GB) HOWEVER. The AMD drivers still suffer from another long-standing bug: This image is cropped and blown up a bit for clarity. Do you see the lines around the tables, chairs, and character model there? Here's another image, in thumb form. Click to see it in full-size: This is a graphical bug that we'd had for awhile, was fixed at some point, then came back just a couple of months later. This has been a problem in-game for a long while now! The lines are "transparent", and occur in textures that are at least partially transparent themselves. Think of it as sort of a very thin x-ray line that surrounds objects placed in front of partially transparent textures. These pictures are just a couple of examples. Other examples are pretty much every cape in the game, and when things like cobwebs are on-screen. If I turn antialiasing off, the x-ray lines go away. Alternatively, if I instead turn ambient occlusion off(but leave AA on), they will also go away. I should not have to pick between these two settings. My computer is able to handle both, and I would like to be able to use both without these graphical glitches. I'm very glad the crashing might have finally been fixed. But there's still more to be done. Also, FPARN because I can. |
In all other respects 11.9 works very well.
Anyone else getting terrible performance from the 11.9s? I'm on Win7 x64 with a Radeon 6970. I have most everything turned up to ultra but am only running at 720p with 4xSSAA. With the 11.9s, it's not that my frame-rate dropped a ton (though it seems like it did a bit) but just traveling across an outdoor zone I'd experience very annoying stuttering. i.e. Wasn't smooth at all. Like it was micro-pausing every now and then.
That was a clean install, safe, driver-sweep, yadda...
Did it all again and re-installed the 11.2s. Smooth. I swear it even looks better. Less jaggy. Guess I'm sticking with these. Hope they run okay with Skyrim when that comes out.
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Yeah 11.09 is not good for me either. It looks like I spoke too soon on my previous post.|
Originally Posted by Zem
Anyone else getting terrible performance from the 11.9s? I'm on Win7 x64 with a Radeon 6970. I have most everything turned up to ultra but am only running at 720p with 4xSSAA. With the 11.9s, it's not that my frame-rate dropped a ton (though it seems like it did a bit) but just traveling across an outdoor zone I'd experience very annoying stuttering. i.e. Wasn't smooth at all. Like it was micro-pausing every now and then.
That was a clean install, safe, driver-sweep, yadda... Did it all again and re-installed the 11.2s. Smooth. I swear it even looks better. Less jaggy. Guess I'm sticking with these. Hope they run okay with Skyrim when that comes out. |
The game was running less smoothly with 11.9 and then I was back to another blue screen crash after just 20 minutes of play this afternoon
Back to 11.3 for me which runs really nicely.
(my basic specs etc are in one of my previous posts if that's helpful to anyone for a comparison)
I've had to delete my signature, as 11.9 isn't stable for me either after the Oct. 5th patch. :-(
Things aren't as bad as pre 11.9, in that I am not just crashing whenever. Now I am "up" where most people have been with crashing during some transition - zones, missions, quiting to character select, etc..
The last crash game was only using about a Gig of memory. (1077K-ish)
64 bit Windows 7
Radeon HD 5750
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I don't think the crashes during zone transitions is the driver itself.|
Originally Posted by Morgan Reed
I've had to delete my signature, as 11.9 isn't stable for me either after the Oct. 5th patch. :-(
Things aren't as bad as pre 11.9, in that I am not just crashing whenever. Now I am "up" where most people have been with crashing during some transition - zones, missions, quiting to character select, etc.. The last crash game was only using about a Gig of memory. (1077K-ish) 64 bit Windows 7 Radeon HD 5750 |
Or if it is, it's affecting both AMD and nVidia equally.
Usually, a couple times a day, I'll have the game lock during a zone transition.
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Just wanted to post some further feedback. I've been running the 11.9s for 4 days now and had no crashes or other issues even when doing incarnate trials or running multiple clients on the same PC.
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