Is it simple? Changing a Science origin character slotted with Science origin SOs to another origin would completely invalidate that character's build.
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Yep. And therefore, there'd be a little warning in the prompt. It'd have to strip out your apprentice power, too, and replace it with the appropraite one. But as nicknacks go, it seems ripe for a microstrans purchase.
I'd pay for it (assuming it were to be reasonably priced, of course.) I have a few characters whose concepts evolved significantly from their inception. It's a pretty minor thing -- I honestly can't remember the last time I even noticed the Origin of another player's character -- but it still irks me.
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better than that i wouldnt mind changing my Ninja MM to a Zombie or Robo MM, Make It!!! if it isnt already :P
I would love this.
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Originally Posted by Screwed38
better than that i wouldnt mind changing my Ninja MM to a Zombie or Robo MM, Make It!!! if it isnt already :P
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As to the origin change token, I certainly wouldn't mind it, but I do think that origin is something so baked into the character spreadsheets that it may not be a simple thing to change.
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SCR applies.
If the game spit out 20 dollar bills people would complain that they weren't sequentially numbered. If they were sequentially numbered people would complain that they weren't random enough.
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Actually, I don't think it does for the original idea. Posi's last statement from the UStream said they had looked at powerset respecs and it would be possible but take huge amounts of time/manpower, so highly unlikely, but that AT and origin changes were flat out impossible. The impression I got was they would have to basically rewrite the game from scratch. So Origin changes, not happening.
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Originally Posted by Texas Justice
SCR applies.
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Originally Posted by Justice Blues
Actually, I don't think it does for the original idea. Posi's last statement from the UStream said they had looked at powerset respecs and it would be possible but take huge amounts of time/manpower, so highly unlikely, but that AT and origin changes were flat out impossible. The impression I got was they would have to basically rewrite the game from scratch. So Origin changes, not happening.
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The OP said that it would be a simple change, when in fact it is impossible to do without a complete rebuild of the game. Seems like a perfect use of the Standard Code Rant.
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I inquired about this once from game support, and basically it's not a flag for your character or anythin', and they literally have no option available to'em to change it as the game currently stands.
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Originally Posted by Talen Lee
I'm saying, I'd pay for it. Simple little doohickey that lets me change the origin of the character who uses it.
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Even if it was something they could just "flip a flag" for and even if they could easily handle things like origin-specific enhancements and powers they'd still have to account for other problems like what to do with the Vet combat powers that have damage bonuses based on origin. Frankly it'd be a little crummy to be able to respec your origin without being able to respec which Vet combat powers you chose.
Sadly I think there are just too many "ramifications" to ever make origin respecs something that would be easy to do. 
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I think people have misundestood me.
I don't think it would be simple to do, I think it'd be simple to use in order to everything I want to do.
Didn't misunderstand at all.
Anything would be simple to use once you get past all of the work involved in implementing such a complicated change.
SCR applies. Still.
If the game spit out 20 dollar bills people would complain that they weren't sequentially numbered. If they were sequentially numbered people would complain that they weren't random enough.
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Originally Posted by Texas Justice
Didn't misunderstand at all.
Anything would be simple to use once you get past all of the work involved in implementing such a complicated change. SCR applies. Still. |
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I would love to know how they have coded it to make it so integral to the character that it can't be changed, ever. Just out of curiousity. And I would also like a way to change my origins, preferably during a respec. I would also accept a way to postpone the decision of my origin until a later time than during character creation. How about at level 12. Level up to 12, go talk to a contact of the origin you want and have them "reveal" your true origin which until then had been simply Unknown. Or stick with Unknown if you don't care about using DOs and SOs. For all other purposes the Unknown origin would not grant a temporary permanent attack power, and wouldn't affect other powers.
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From what I've heard Origins used to have a lot more importance and determined what powers you could get and such before the game launched. So it's probably connected to why power set respecs won't be done.
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If the game spit out 20 dollar bills people would complain that they weren't sequentially numbered. If they were sequentially numbered people would complain that they weren't random enough.
Black Pebble is my new hero.
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Originally Posted by FredrikSvanberg
I would love to know how they have coded it to make it so integral to the character that it can't be changed, ever.
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*points down to guides in sig* Down there, guide to the early COH trailer, should also have links to thinks like Internet Archive of the COH site, and of... origins.
Early on, Origins (they create worlds... wait, that's the old development house...) had a huge impact - there were more of them, and they determined both how MANY powers you could select and how FAR you could upgrade/enhance them.
That, of course, got scrapped when they found out how broken the "freeform selection" was. So, we got Origins as we have them now, along with AT and powersets.
I *suspect,* though, that when they stepped away from that system, they didn't completely rewrite character creation from scratch. But if you think about how much effect old-origin would have had on a character, you'd see why it would be in on such a fundamental level on characters now - even though it doesn't do that much. Whether it was just from not thinking about it, or just having a changeable origin *break* so much even then that it would be a lot of work (and now, a decade of added patches, rewrites, systems, etc.) I suspect it's just so tied into so many possible systems it's just too big of a risk (or too much work) to let be changed.
Frankly, I'd love to hear from a dev to see if I'm anywhere close to the mark in that guess or not.
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Originally Posted by Texas Justice
SCR applies. Still.
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I'm not saying 'devs should do it because it'd be easy.' I'm saying this is a service I would personally be willing to pay for.
Do you have anything else that someone else has written you want to trot out here to feel clever about?
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Originally Posted by Talen Lee
So why the **** are you even bringing it up?
I'm not saying 'devs should do it because it'd be easy.' I'm saying this is a service I would personally be willing to pay for. Do you have anything else that someone else has written you want to trot out here to feel clever about? |
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Not to claim any huge knowledge about programming or anything but if the ability to change origin would become a much asked for feature, I think one solution would be to create a new actual origin flag in the database, based on the difficult-to-change origin which is currently irretractibly buried in the character data (somehow). Then use the new origin-flag to determine character origin for all purposes, and give us the option to change it in various manners. It might still be too much work to be worth their time considering most people (99% or more) don't care about their origin and won't ever want to change it, but at least it would be a possible solution.
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I think that a system that let you change your origin would be a good idea. Paying for it might be a bit much though, maybe if I already had all the vet rewards.
I think the easiest system would be to not let you equip any more enhancements of the old origin, so it would be weeded out over time.
I like the idea. I wouldn't use it for any of my characters, but I like the idea.
You should probably have to pay for it to make it worth the development costs though.
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That really sucks as im disliking my MM who is now level 31, i would much prefer Robo but i dont want to start again, and they can make more money from it, i think they would think about it now because of the item mall release, they can put it up for say 600 points, one time use
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Originally Posted by Aett_Thorn
Not gonna happen anytime soon. The Devs have come out against this multiple times.
As to the origin change token, I certainly wouldn't mind it, but I do think that origin is something so baked into the character spreadsheets that it may not be a simple thing to change. |
I'm saying, I'd pay for it. Simple little doohickey that lets me change the origin of the character who uses it.