Characters or sets that you've just...
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Posted on: 2011-09-21 07:47 in Archetypes and Powers General Discussion
Lots of Tankers, lack of damage. Even the Fire/Fire one isn't impressing me, and he's not exactly a monster at tanking like others, no mitigation, weakest armor.
ELM/Stone Brute, wanted to see what granite was like and do damage, he's 50 and even half-IOed but... I suffered too much. I have to try him again after Fury changed and add Gloom to see if I can actually kill a boss now before he's drained (elec melee), but the memories are too painful. Problem is, I made him when we had to chase Fury constantly with a low mobility secondary.
Ice/Psi Dom, I LOVED her. Loved her so much it took me three months after 50 to permadom and purple her. Then I took her to pvp, she was great, of course I faceplanted a lot, but nothing beat slowing tanks and brutes to a crawl and holding them and they going 'wth?'. Then i13 came.. slows and holds are useless, I need like 900 points of -kb protection, and she'd still be useless. I can't even look at her now, which is bad because since purples are so expensive after I came back, I could make a lot of money striping her out of her IOs.
Claws/SR, Fire/Shields scrappers - yay I'm a scrapper I do damage, it's always the same damage with some crits, meh - I find scrappers too one-dimensional, the only 50 scrap I have is a dark/dark, because she reminds me of a melee controller. I like the combo so much I rerolled her into a Brute, which I prefer because of the taunt aura and the variable damage, especially now that you don't have to chase Fury like a madman, just enough to keep it interesting imo, that made Brutes the funniest ATs ever for me when I don't want to think a lot, but I like /DA because you're not just mashing 1 2 3 like on the claws/sr or in an ewwwwwillpower, you have to use other powers once in a while. When I get to level her she'll inherit the scrap's IOs - problem is, she's in Prateoria, I can't seem to get anyone out of there (meaning going past level 20), still wasn't able to even though it's newish to me.
Spines/whatever (insert AT) - hey man, you can take 5 minutes to kill a red boss, it's okay.
Some blasters - too one-dimensional for me too. I was actually enjoying my 18 DP/Fire blaster (mentioned her level because she's another one stuck in Prateoria hell) until I got FSC and though 'hey that's what I remember how blaster damage is like, it was always OMG damage, wth are those pistols doing? I can't hurt a thing with this stupid (and pretty) cone'. So I rolled a Dark Blast/MM combo, enjoying it so far, I like that /MM has some tools but I had never tried it due to previous trauma (see ice/psi dom above).
Stalkers, I love them, so I have a ton of them - and they end up disappointing me at some level. I recently rolled a ELM/EA because I was sick of the low hp cap of my 35 ELM/Regen and my 22 KM/EA won't have good synergy if I happen to like Disrupt, since it interferes with Placate and the insta-BU from CS would be wasted - so now I'm leveling the ELM/EA and looking for some secondary for KM. I'm tired of /Nin, have a EM/Nin who's retired, she's 50, IO'ed, etc, but... it looks like since the ITF the new content is more and more AoE heavy, and she started feeling useless sometimes being a ST-only toon. But that's okay I played her for a long time, and got good mileage of killstealing with the old ET (now people steal the kills from her 
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Mind/Emp troller - she was my first toon, and I loved the combo enough to take her to 50 only playing her when it was harder to level, i9, took me 3 months. I started decking her with shiny new IOs. Moar recharge! Moar recharge! Purples, yay (I remember paying 30 million for the hold damage proc I have in dominate)! Ok, so I started playing her through all the content, even the Shard TFs (including Dr. Q). Moar IOs, more recharge!
(Goes teaming with the new shiny close to permahasten build) Hmmm wait... Fortitude already up? Ok, damn I have to use Clear Mind on a guy, I have to heal this other one, wait, AB is up, oh mass confusion, ok now I have to hold that boss, Fort is up again dammit, who do I use it?, now the regen/recov auras, oh have to click indom will (psy epic mez protection), now I'll do some damage with terrify and Psy Tornado, but I have to watch the teams' health and buffs all the time, ok someone said 'zzz', time for CM, extra aggo, I'll sleep them, oops Fort is up again and... OMG I'M IN MULTITASKING HELL THIS IS WORSE THAN PLAYING TWO WARSHADES! - Then I decided I played with her enough and it was time for her to rest. I don't think I'll ever delete her or take her IOs out tho (or roll another emp), she was literally the first thing I rolled in trial, she has a stupid name because of that, good thing it's in Portuguese 
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There are others of course but I think I already wrote too much.
Altimus Onega on Infinity - a level 50 Grav/Psi Dominator with nearly 3 billion in enhancements (not to mention a T4 Spiritual Core Paragon).
Gravity is broken, and the strategy I developed to deal with said brokenness was itself demolished with the "Buffs" to Psionic Assault (sure, if you wanted damage from your secondary, the changes were a godsend - but I was using Psychic Scream and Shockwave as CONTROL).
I'm gonna respec him and strip him bare so my reimagineing (an Illusion/Time Controller) will make use of his Basilisk's Gazes and whatnot. Won't delete him, since I'm getting out of infinity, but I'm not gonna play him. At all. Ever.
(Except to check if my market bids have filled)
Deamus the Fallen - 50 DM/EA Brute - Lib
Dragos Bahtiam - 50 Fire/Ice Blaster - Lib
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My Bane Spider has never gained any traction. My AR/Dev has had a couple of leveling spurts, but is on the back burner at 39. I have a MA/Dark scrapper that is somewhere in the 20s, haven't done anything else with those sets (those last two are 6+ years old).
Have never rolled anything with Super Strength. Can't bring myself to using Stone Armor.
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You're certainly entitled to your own opinion, including not liking the damage. But Tankers, and especially Inv/SS, do not have objectively "bad" offense. Invincibility and Rage's stacked to-hit bonuses give this combo excellent accuracy even fighting higher-level stuff, and Rage's damage bonus is available a much higher percentage of the time than Build-Up's is in other sets. IMHO Tanker damage is solidly in the middle of the pack of hero ATs, better than average Controller and most Defender damage -- and /SS is on the high end of Tankers in that range.|
Originally Posted by streetlight
I'm kind of tired of my Inv/SS Tanker. Very survivable, but the offense is so unbelievably bad that I have difficulty playing it. The lack of damage soured me to the whole Tanker AT, in fact.
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Originally Posted by streetlight
It probably doesn't help that I made the Inv/SS build before I knew what I was doing, so he can't handle really high level non-S/L opponents.
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I'm plenty familiar with SS and what it can do (have an SS/FA Brute, too), but the low Tanker damage caps and low base damage don't help it any. Most Defenders can generate buffs or debuffs that put them (and the rest of their team) well over Tanker performance. Controllers get access to those same buffs/debuffs with arguably better results. Check out content farmers (not AE) to see what Controllers and Defenders can do, damage-wise. Tankers are sad by comparison. I'd take my Cold/Ice Defender or my Elec/Kin Controller over any Tanker (and I do, that's why my Tankers sit). And that's solo. On a team? Pssht...|
Originally Posted by Sailboat
You're certainly entitled to your own opinion, including not liking the damage. But Tankers, and especially Inv/SS, do not have objectively "bad" offense. Invincibility and Rage's stacked to-hit bonuses give this combo excellent accuracy even fighting higher-level stuff, and Rage's damage bonus is available a much higher percentage of the time than Build-Up's is in other sets. IMHO Tanker damage is solidly in the middle of the pack of hero ATs, better than average Controller and most Defender damage -- and /SS is on the high end of Tankers in that range.
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Brutes start with damage slightly below Tankers, but build up a 150%+ bonus very quickly and maintain that bonus easily. */SS Tankers benefit some teeny tiny amount more than SS/* Brutes from Rage, but Fury far more than compensates. Tankers will be more survivable, but if you can make an SS/Inv Brute that won't die and causes notably more damage, then how much more survivable do you need to be?
I stand by my thought that my Fire/Fire Tanker may still be playable. The added survivability might actually matter a bit with Fire and the extra AOE will help spread anemic damage faster. I don't think it'll outpace Fury-fed Brute AOEs, but the survivability might be enough to push the decision.
Masterminds and Controllers, all of them. The play styles just don't work for what I like to do.
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Incarnates: K'lir(Fire/Dark Corr):Hot-House Flower(Plant/Fire Dom):Kinrad X(Kin/Rad Def):Itsy-Bitsy Spider(Crab):Two Ton Tony(Mace/WP Broot):Teeny Weeny Widow(Fortunata/Widow) : Zeroth Law (Ice/Fire Tank)
Everything with a lot of knockback.
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I've noticed you can buy a PB for 1000 points in the Paragon Market...|
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I'll sell my ability to roll PBs for just half that.
Please, devs, grant me this power.
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If I take that character to 50 I almost always play them to get IOs and incarnate powers, however I must admit I let 2 "go".
My 2nd char ever to hit 50 Kinetic Kat a kinetic/elec defender was my first true support char I made years ago. I did enjoy myself in teams but the anemic dmg of elec EVEN after a full fulcrum shift had me just give up. Add to that no def no mez protection and no resistance. I was supposed to be a glass cannon but without the cannon attached. Ive tried playing around in mids with scorpion shield and clarion but its still the fact that i am /elec that I finally had to say goodbye to her. 
Then one of my most recent 50s a demons/pain MM IOed and even tier 3 alpha was the latest I had to just give up on. Maybe its my min maxing or it was just the poor backstory and character concept I created for him but I just coulndt get into playing this character, now he sits collecting day job badges and IOs/recipes for future projects.
So now I make damn sure any char first gets the full MIDs treatment in IO and incarnate build and then I think up a great concept/costume and power selection then its off to lvl him/her up to 50 to plow throw content hoping for purple drops to fund the next project I know ill have.
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This had me rolling! I started an Emp/Psy over DXP weekend and it was a new experience, that's for sure. At 35ish, I don't even have many IOs on it yet (-KB, Miracle, Numi), but it's still been a crazy buffing ride. Seeing as how sets like Kin got group buffs for their CM equivalent, that would be a nice QOL change. Fortitude as a group buff would be even better, but AB would be asking a bit much.
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Originally Posted by Kioshi
Mind/Emp troller - she was my first toon, and I loved the combo enough to take her to 50 only playing her when it was harder to level, i9, took me 3 months. I started decking her with shiny new IOs. Moar recharge! Moar recharge! Purples, yay (I remember paying 30 million for the hold damage proc I have in dominate)! Ok, so I started playing her through all the content, even the Shard TFs (including Dr. Q). Moar IOs, more recharge!
(Goes teaming with the new shiny close to permahasten build) Hmmm wait... Fortitude already up? Ok, damn I have to use Clear Mind on a guy, I have to heal this other one, wait, AB is up, oh mass confusion, ok now I have to hold that boss, Fort is up again dammit, who do I use it?, now the regen/recov auras, oh have to click indom will (psy epic mez protection), now I'll do some damage with terrify and Psy Tornado, but I have to watch the teams' health and buffs all the time, ok someone said 'zzz', time for CM, extra aggo, I'll sleep them, oops Fort is up again and... OMG I'M IN MULTITASKING HELL THIS IS WORSE THAN PLAYING TWO WARSHADES! - Then I decided I played with her enough and it was time for her to rest. I don't think I'll ever delete her or take her IOs out tho (or roll another emp), she was literally the first thing I rolled in trial, she has a stupid name because of that, good thing it's in Portuguese . |
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Originally Posted by streetlight
Seeing as how sets like Kin got group buffs for their CM equivalent, that would be a nice QOL change. Fortitude as a group buff would be even better, but AB would be asking a bit much.
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Asking for Fortitude or AB to get the same AoE treatment completely destroys their balance. Fortitude and AB were never meant to be placed on a whole team at once. Fortitude's duration and recharge time are drastically different proportions than Force Fields and the other former single target buffs.
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Most to least disappointing to me...
1. Inv/EM tank: I ended up getting him to 50 many years ago, but basically haven't played since. Even getting to 50 was a chore. I'm a huge fan of AoE damage, and a pure ST set, which ended up being nerfed, has really ruined the guy for me. And he's one of my only two tanks. The other is my main though.
2. EM/regen stalker and spines/nin stalker: Both were PL'd purely for PvP and did great in it, but since I've given up on PvP in this game, I just can't get into them in PvE. Totally not my playstyle.
3. thugs/dark MM: Been around 40 for about 6 years. Every once in a while I play him, thinking about how powerful he should be in theory, and I always end up logging in disgust 10 mins later. Again, not my playstyle. Too much reliance on stupidly broken AI.
4. Sonic/devices blaster: Also PL'd for PvP to around level 38. As much as I tried over the last couple years, I think I was able to add like 1 level to him since. My "second best" toon is a blaster, and after playing him, this guy is so bad, it's laughable. How people play devices other than for pure theme, I don't know.
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Originally Posted by Kioshi
(Goes teaming with the new shiny close to permahasten build) Hmmm wait... Fortitude already up? Ok, damn I have to use Clear Mind on a guy, I have to heal this other one, wait, AB is up, oh mass confusion, ok now I have to hold that boss, Fort is up again dammit, who do I use it?, now the regen/recov auras, oh have to click indom will (psy epic mez protection), now I'll do some damage with terrify and Psy Tornado, but I have to watch the teams' health and buffs all the time, ok someone said 'zzz', time for CM, extra aggo, I'll sleep them, oops Fort is up again and... OMG I'M IN MULTITASKING HELL THIS IS WORSE THAN PLAYING TWO WARSHADES!
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It reminds me of my Plant/Emp controller. So many things to watch, so many things to think of @_@ I finally enjoyed this playstyle a lot, but now with Incarnate powers I feel like my buffs, as powerful they may be, are drops in the ocean and the extraordinary concentration I need to use them all isn't really rewarded. I still like to play him on lower level missions, though. But for end-game content, I prefer my /Pain corruptor which is easier to play and can contribute with her damage is her support isn't that needed.
I came close with my Sonic/Sonic, but I didn't delete, waited along long time and then inherent fitness came and allowed that toon more powers to help me make something out of her!
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I have a Level 50 Ninja/Trick/Soul Mastermind. When I team with her (on Strike Forces and Incarnate Trials) I might as well not even have a Primary. The only way the character is playable is if I can control the speed of engagement ... so as to moderate aggro and keep my Ninjas alive ... and I can only do that when soloing. In any kind of team environment (especially Team-8 and League) ... I'm just a broken down "half of a Defender" Trick Arrow artist.
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Originally Posted by gameboy1234
Ninja/Trick Arrow mastermind. Just. Can't. Do. It.
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Oh hell yeah. While I prefer Empathy in controllers to defenders (the difference in buffing numbers isn't big like other sets, and controllers can, well, control and later do good damage, I like mind/ for the early ST attack chain too), /emp trollers are so busy that I never wanna play one again, I bound half my keyboard on her lol - my fire/kin is way less trouble even when SB was not AoE. At least with the corr you just have to watch your teammates and blast |
Originally Posted by Ispahan
It reminds me of my Plant/Emp controller. So many things to watch, so many things to think of @_@ I finally enjoyed this playstyle a lot, but now with Incarnate powers I feel like my buffs, as powerful they may be, are drops in the ocean and the extraordinary concentration I need to use them all isn't really rewarded. I still like to play him on lower level missions, though. But for end-game content, I prefer my /Pain corruptor which is easier to play and can contribute with her damage is her support isn't that needed. |
Every Scrapper and Stalker.. just cant get into them.. have made em.. just cant play em..
Grav/Kin Controller.. This makes me very sad as it was one of my original 50's but Gravity is so lacking.. I was on a team with an Earth controller and I felt like I was a little kid watching a bully take away my favorite toy watching the Earth actually CONTROL things better than GRAVITY you know one of the primordial forces of the UNIVERSE !!!!
I watched the New Avengers with Graviton.. and I just lowered my head and cried... why oh why cant Gravity be SOMETHING like that...
I would LOVE to see a dominator Set with Grav Control and Gravity Assault.. I would LOVE To se a control set that actually has a Grav Buff or DEBUFF secondary..
Or at least make Gravity suck less.. but I doubt that will ever happen..
I have deleted...
Kin/Elec Defender Level 50
Elec/Kin Corruptor Level 50
both did not play well at all
Sonic/Psi defender Level 50 good conceot for him.. just couldnt deal with looking at the shield all day...
FF/Nrg Defender.. made it to around level 26.. got bored...
Rad/Fire Blaster.. I might revisit this toon if I can get a defense build.. he drew so much aggro it wasnt even funny...
Also erased a level 35 Ice/Ice Blaster but I made an Cold/Ice defender I like better..
but the Grave Kin... how i WISH you worked better...
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Elec/Dark Brute. So much promise, so much disapoint. The long animation times of elec mellee make it really difficult to time firing off Dark Regen. When I needed it, I needed it it now.
Warshade. Just can't. Had to delete. Sorry Dechs.
Blasters. I want to like em, I love the idea of them, I just can't get one past 35.
Emps. Played one during i0. Guy I duoed with at the time was an ma/regen. He got IH and said I wasnt needed anymore. Haven't played a toon that couldn't solo a hazard zone spawn since.
Let's see... 35 Archery/MM blaster. 32 spider. 24 Kat/Regen scrapper. 20 warshade. 20 AR/NRG blaster. 23 Kat/Dark scrapper. 34 peacebringer. 22 Dark/DP def. 25 Dark/SR scrapper. 28 DB/WP scrapper. etc. etc. (And I guess I should include my 50 Emp/NRG def that I loved all the way up to 50 but just can't really stand to play him now. He was my first 50, and I love him too much to delete him lol)
The list goes on and on. These are actually the toons that I enjoyed for awhile but eventually just got bored with playing. And this list doesn't even count the tens (or hundreds by this point) of lowbie toons that don't ever make it past the teen levels before getting deleted, if they're lucky.
Yes, I'm a severe alt-oholic...
SS/SD brute, just dont like SC's low dmg cap
SS/WP brute, lack of dmg
DM/SR brute, lack of dmg
ill/cold, i just dont like the play style.
list goes on and on
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