Lore Pets - which ones are best?

If we're only considering the tier 4 pets for each set, is there any real differences between them, or do certain ones have any advantages?

My Ill/Rad started off with Warworks, and while the Victoria and ACU units are great, I'm wondering if it's better to go with Phantoms for appearance's sake. However, do certain pets prefer melee or range more, and which ones can fly, and what sort of damage do they do?

You can actually find out what they all have by opening the incarnate menu and then opening the tab for lore pets, pick the ones you want followed by tier and just right click on the circle for which pet you wanna know the powers of.

Best really depends on what your looking for in a pet or two.

Nihili has the best summary I know of:

Initialy i thought 'phantoms' would fit my Necro MM lovely, untill i got them and found out they are actualy the PA mobs from ill trollers.

So i moved on to the battle drones, the buff bot is pretty useless (bitty heal - only you, not your pets and a 5% defense bubble) but their range is very impressive.

I take Lore pets that either suits me (drones on a /trap MM) or are not 'in my way' (as the bulky Longbow or Rularuu). My Granite tank got the whisp-lookalike-pets, small decent and they give a nice -defense debuff.

I only wish they had more 'theme' wise pets, such as Malta for my AR blaster, DE for my Granite tank or undead-alike mobs for my Necro.

I believe Warworks still rate high in DPS. Not sure how exactly they rate side-by-side with Cims, but they do pack -regen. The Victoria bot does absolutely ludicrous damage, and she can solo AVs (if you keep her from dying).

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Originally Posted by PRAF68_EU Dispari has more than enough credability, and certainly doesn't need to borrow any from you.

I only know what one is certifiably the worst. As someone who took Vanguard and broguht it all the way up to tier 4, they are irredeemable. The boss is terrible at damage and debuff variety is too spread out to mean anything, and it'll take me a while to convince that the intangible pet's AI isn't broken.

IMO, the Cims are head and shoulders above the rest as far as damage goes, followed by the Warworks.

As far as a "support" Lore, I really feel that is a "flavor" thing. Look hard at what kind of role you like play (support, damage, "clean-up", tank, etc..) and then look at your your build. Do you use ungodly amounts of End? Does your Def need shoring up a bit? Try to find the Lore pet support option that best suits your needs. There really isn't an ultimate "best" IMO.

I don't really go for a "theme" with the Lore. To me, its just another power pick, if it fits in thematically, great, if not, oh well.

I have a few T-4 Lores that I rotate out based on what I am doing. Same as the destiny buffs. Doing an Underground Trial? Break out the Cims and Clarion. Doing a Keyes? Break out the Longbow (for the minor heals) and the Rebirth.

Wow, a large number of replies, haha.

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Originally Posted by Lucky666 You can actually find out what they all have by opening the incarnate menu and then opening the tab for lore pets, pick the ones you want followed by tier and just right click on the circle for which pet you wanna know the powers of. Best really depends on what your looking for in a pet or two.

Yes, but I was looking for personal opinions, haha. It is true what you mentioned though, what I'm looking for in a pet. As an Ill/Rad, I have Phantom Army, Spectral Terror (yes, with its piddly proc attack from an IO) and Phantasm (broken still with scrapperlock tendancies), so I was looking for something to compliment that.

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Originally Posted by GavinRuneblade Nihili has the best summary I know of:

So Cimerorans have highest DPS? Then again, they're well-known for spike damage considering they're almost all broadsword users. Do they carry over their ability to do criticals as well? However, I'll probably won't pick them, as I can't explain why my controller is able to summon Romans, haha.

So Phantoms have best buffs? What makes them different from other lore pets which can buff?

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Originally Posted by SinergyX_EU Initialy i thought 'phantoms' would fit my Necro MM lovely, untill i got them and found out they are actualy the PA mobs from ill trollers. So i moved on to the battle drones, the buff bot is pretty useless (bitty heal - only you, not your pets and a 5% defense bubble) but their range is very impressive. I take Lore pets that either suits me (drones on a /trap MM) or are not 'in my way' (as the bulky Longbow or Rularuu). My Granite tank got the whisp-lookalike-pets, small decent and they give a nice -defense debuff. I only wish they had more 'theme' wise pets, such as Malta for my AR blaster, DE for my Granite tank or undead-alike mobs for my Necro.

Hrm, Battle Drones have a buff similar to their original state, and aren't just carrying over the same buffs. That's interesting. As for pets which suit their owners, I'm sort of going that route as well, haha. I noticed Longbow gets the Cataphract‎, so I assume it does block the way sometimes, haha. Regarding Malta pets, I'm guessing they would get a Zeus Class Titan and not a Gunslinger, haha.

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Originally Posted by Dispari I believe Warworks still rate high in DPS. Not sure how exactly they rate side-by-side with Cims, but they do pack -regen. The Victoria bot does absolutely ludicrous damage, and she can solo AVs (if you keep her from dying).

My Victoria on my Ill/Rad, combined with ACU and other illusion pets (and me, of course ) soloed Scrapyard's Ghost right down to 1/5 HP left before a stalker joined up. I'm pretty sure I could have finished the job on my own though. :3 I'll probably get Warworks on my AR/Traps corrupter or Robot/Traps MM since I liked them so much.

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Originally Posted by Ein_Dose I only know what one is certifiably the worst. As someone who took Vanguard and broguht it all the way up to tier 4, they are irredeemable. The boss is terrible at damage and debuff variety is too spread out to mean anything, and it'll take me a while to convince that the intangible pet's AI isn't broken.

Considering how tough they were when they were introduced as normal enemies, I'm kinda disappointed to hear that, haha.

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Originally Posted by Kotchie IMO, the Cims are head and shoulders above the rest as far as damage goes, followed by the Warworks. As far as a "support" Lore, I really feel that is a "flavor" thing. Look hard at what kind of role you like play (support, damage, "clean-up", tank, etc..) and then look at your your build. Do you use ungodly amounts of End? Does your Def need shoring up a bit? Try to find the Lore pet support option that best suits your needs. There really isn't an ultimate "best" IMO. I don't really go for a "theme" with the Lore. To me, its just another power pick, if it fits in thematically, great, if not, oh well. I have a few T-4 Lores that I rotate out based on what I am doing. Same as the destiny buffs. Doing an Underground Trial? Break out the Cims and Clarion. Doing a Keyes? Break out the Longbow (for the minor heals) and the Rebirth.

You do bring up one interesting point - I don't have to stick to just one set of lore pets or other Incarnate abilities for that matter. :3

Thanks for the comments, everyone.

Support phantom has a half strength, 60 second duration AB. It's non-permament and the recharge is such that the support pet will cast it on you twice during its duration.

They're not bad since the AB counters slows and end drains and is a big heal over time itself. Phantoms are actually fairly decent single-target damage in exotic damage types (i.e. not S/L/E) and they fly, which makes them less liable to get left behind/stuck.

On my main badger I have a few crafted depending on what is needed, others will get whatever either for theme or to fill a hole.

On my main elec/elec brute I really like the Cimerorans to make up for my lack of ST damage.

Someone did Lore DPS calculations here: http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showp...postcount=1958

I thought that test was outdated

So Cim's are still the best for DPS?

There are more things to consider than looks and DPS. Though it doesn't fit any theme, the northern lights are something I'd consider for a squishy due to the massive kb they deal. And I'd personally rather have some AoE damage rather than single target, so I consider the WW to still be king. Though I do have cims on my roman themed scrapper, just for concept.

I hold up a new worst lore pet! None can defy that the Rularuu Overseer is (1) stupid and lazy, (2) does no damage worth crap, and (3) blocks the view as he sits on your shoulder like a parrot. Beat that! Fortunately, I stopped at T2.

I have gotten very fond of the storm elementals. Even the 10-minute support tier 3 is reasonably survivable, deals good damage and the hurricane is pretty handy.

they don't fit for every character I have, but where they fit I am quite pleased with them.

The clocks I have on one character and they deal pretty decent AoE and since they are 100% ranged they survive.

I'll agree with the Overseer as the dumbest lore pet. Though I haven't tested them all it is hard to believe there's a worse one out there.

Will lore pets heal the player or just the other pet? Also, will said healing pet's heals count towards badges?