Taking 5 APP Powers
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Bionut911,
Posted on: 2011-09-17 23:32 in Archetypes and Powers General Discussion
I don't think that's a big issue, you never were able to take all 5 powers before. You have to sacrifice a "main" power to get them all now, which sounds like a fair trade-off to me.
Although I do wish some of the level requirements were lowered because on almost every toon I have to grab pool powers that I don't want, since the powers I do want aren't available yet.
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Yeah, I've been there many times. Moreso after Fitness was made inherent, though.
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Originally Posted by Melancholia
Although I do wish some of the level requirements were lowered because on almost every toon I have to grab pool powers that I don't want, since the powers I do want aren't available yet.
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And if you are playing certain sets, you still can't. |
Originally Posted by Melancholia
I don't think that's a big issue, you never were able to take all 5 powers before.
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| You have to sacrifice a "main" power to get them all now, which sounds like a fair trade-off to me. |
While we are at it since we are talking about lowering level requirements let's go all the way down to the bottom. Many of the tier 1 secondary powers are clinkers that are required but most players simply remove from the power tray.
It would be really nice to be able to skip the tier 1 secondary (with many of the power sets) and start with the tier 2 instead.
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Good thing some T9s and certain APPs are skippable =)
I mean, on my Inv/EnM tank, I already skip my primary T9 and secondary T8.. though without extra slots, I don't see myself making any build changes.
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Except using the example above, nobody would skip Sleet or Heatloss for an epic power.
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Originally Posted by Melancholia
You have to sacrifice a "main" power to get them all now, which sounds like a fair trade-off to me.
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i'd love if they changed it so the secondary progression went like this:
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10
16
20
28
35
It's basically what we have now but everything gets bumped up a notch earlier since you can pick between 2 powers at level 1 in your secondary.
Jem - Ill/Rad Controller Lv 50+3 Nic - Mind/Psi Dominator Lv 50+3 Lady Liberation - Invuln/SS Tanker Lv 50+1 Invicitx - Demon/Pain Mastermind Lv 50+1 Celeste - Emp/Arch Defender Lv 50+1 Nightsilver - DB/WP Scrapper Lv 34 Dusk Howl - StJ/Regen Brute Lv 32 Kyriani - Time/Energy Defender Lv 41Psifire - FF/Psi Defender Lv 50
Star Lighter - LB/LA Peacebringer Lv 30
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I would love this. For some of my blaster secondaries that first power is totally skippable. On my DP/Fire I rarely use ring of fire and I don't devote any slots to it. So being able to skip it would be of a huge help.
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Originally Posted by Kyriani
i'd love if they changed it so the secondary progression went like this:
1 1 2 4 10 16 20 28 35 It's basically what we have now but everything gets bumped up a notch earlier since you can pick between 2 powers at level 1 in your secondary. |
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I know that, but I still think it's fair; it's not like the devs could give some powersets access to APPs earlier and the rest at 35.
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Originally Posted by Fiery-Enforcer
Except using the example above, nobody would skip Sleet or Heatloss for an epic power.
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Not a chance in hell of the 2ndaries'* levels being adjusted down...
But if the Devs do go crazy, I would support it if it meant I could skip web granade and many of the other crappy tier 1s!
* Because "seco" is too many characters, apparently!
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Originally Posted by Kitsune Knight
Not a chance in hell of the 2ndaries'* levels being adjusted down...
But if the Devs do go crazy, I would support it if it meant I could skip web granade and many of the other crappy tier 1s! * Because "seco" is too many characters, apparently! |
The lower level APP unlock means that my Dominators get Sleet at the same level that my Corruptors do, though - which made a difference on what I was making on Exalted.
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Neither would anyway pick the entire APP without a reason (majority is focused towards damage, so i gues that would leave only the 'we dont get decent damage on normal powers' AT, that case.. Controller).|
Originally Posted by Fiery-Enforcer
Except using the example above, nobody would skip Sleet or Heatloss for an epic power.
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Several sets have skipable T8/T9 secondairy powers, or APP abilities you would pick over the T8/T9. But i believe there are way more sets and AT's that are forced to pick a T1 secondairy or APP that they probably will never use, just to unlock the powers that come after it. (such as webname from /traps, majority of immobilize powers from blasters).
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There are some sets that have extremely meh powers for both their first picks (hello Storm). I'm 99% certain it would never happen, but what I'd personally love would be if the power level options were changed to something like:|
Originally Posted by SinergyX_EU
Several sets have skipable T8/T9 secondairy powers, or APP abilities you would pick over the T8/T9. But i believe there are way more sets and AT's that are forced to pick a T1 secondairy or APP that they probably will never use, just to unlock the powers that come after it. (such as webname from /traps, majority of immobilize powers from blasters).
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Prim - Sec - Pool - APP 1 - 1 - 4 - 35 1 - 1 - 4 - 35 1 - 1 - 4 - 35 6 - 8 - 8 - 38 8 - 14 - 8 - 38 12 - 18 16 - 24 22 - 30 28 - 32
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None
1 Pick
1 Pick
the limit of 4 pool power sets abolished entirely or raised, and the 3rd, 9th, 15th, 21st, and 29th levels grant 3 slots instead of 2.
As I said though, I'm relatively certain this would be viewed as too drastic a series of changes for the game to undergo and would probably be considered too large an increase in character power.
If I had to pick a change to fight for, I'd go for the pool power limits.
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This will be one of those musing posts..
Good news: You can take all 5 APP powers if you want, starting from level 35.
Bad news: Because they didn't change the levels your core powers unlock, you can only do it if you don't specifically need both your level 35 and 38 power at some point. If you are playing a set like Cold Domination on a Controller you are stuck because of the power order, and will never be able to take all 5 APP powers.
Now, personally, I think having to wait until level 38 to get your last definable power is a much bigger deal than waiting to 35 for your APPs (in most cases). I sort of wish they had revisited the levels other powers unlocked rather than just changing the APP powers. IMO this is actually pretty unbalanced and severely favors sets that bloom early.
I wish they would lower the power unlocks like this to better support this change by closing some of the gaps in leveling up and leaving you done with both trees right as APPs open up:
26 >> 22
32 >> 26
35 >> 30
38 >> 32
That is all.
TLDR version: The only way you can take all 5 APP powers is by skipping either the level 35 or level 38 power pick specifically. There is no configuration of powers that can get around this.