Should Chronologist award Entrusted with the Secret?
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Posted on: 2011-09-11 21:18 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
Bug both.
The intent is ANY time travel related content - even the Science store in Bricks who's mission, IIRC, does not directly involve time travel.
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Originally Posted by Rajani Isa
Bug both.
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Originally Posted by Rajani Isa
The intent is ANY time travel related content - even the Science store in Bricks who's mission, IIRC, does not directly involve time travel.
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But yeah, with the exception of maybe Cimerora, all time travel content counts. Some such as Dr Echo and Holsten Armitage are you interacting with someone else who is a time traveler. Others such as interacting with objects that manipulate space and time also count.
Chronologist is a badge that assumes you're already entrusted with the secret. Since you're there. Which means they don't need to explain the secret to you.
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And Yet the exploration badge does not make that assumption. Since you can only get the explore by being there by your logic they shouldn't need to explain the secret for that either.
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Originally Posted by NightErrant
Chronologist is a badge that assumes you're already entrusted with the secret. Since you're there. Which means they don't need to explain the secret to you.
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This was a reasonable explanation originally. However, Mender Ramiel sends you to Cimerora in one of his missions, and in the briefing outright tells you that they've known about the Midnighters and their crystal all along. The exploration badge in Cimerora, the badge for defeating Romans, and the badge for completing ITF should all grant Entrusted with the Secret, since all three require time travel, and Ouroboros is watching your progress through those areas.
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Originally Posted by Bubbawheat
Some discussion was involved and it was decided that maybe the Midnighters were hiding from Ouroboros, so their time travel didn't count.
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@Roderick
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Unless Ouroboros doesn't want the Midnighters to know they're watching or don't trust them.
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Originally Posted by Roderick
This was a reasonable explanation originally. However, Mender Ramiel sends you to Cimerora in one of his missions, and in the briefing outright tells you that they've known about the Midnighters and their crystal all along. The exploration badge in Cimerora, the badge for defeating Romans, and the badge for completing ITF should all grant Entrusted with the Secret, since all three require time travel, and Ouroboros is watching your progress through those areas.
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Yes - because it assumes you must have been told, it ought to make sure you have the badge for it! I can just picture Mender Silos going "Wait, what? How did we overlook giving this guy an actual portal? He obviously already knows..."
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Originally Posted by NightErrant
Chronologist is a badge that assumes you're already entrusted with the secret. Since you're there. Which means they don't need to explain the secret to you.
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Obviously, its because the guy is a Stalker.|
Originally Posted by FlashToo
Yes - because it assumes you must have been told, it ought to make sure you have the badge for it! I can just picture Mender Silos going "Wait, what? How did we overlook giving this guy an actual portal? He obviously already knows..."
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Or unremarkable.
maybe even an unremarkable Stalker.
Might even have to go so far as to call him a remarkably unremarkable stalker.
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Originally Posted by DMystic
And Yet the exploration badge does not make that assumption. Since you can only get the explore by being there by your logic they shouldn't need to explain the secret for that either.
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I want to go back to the fair, I was scheduled for the Drinking contest over by the dance area!
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Here's a stupid question - does Remiel's arc grant Entrusted? I doubt there's actually been a potential Incarnate running it that didn't already have the badge to test that, but theoretically you could do it just off of mooched portals.
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Originally Posted by Roderick
This was a reasonable explanation originally. However, Mender Ramiel sends you to Cimerora in one of his missions, and in the briefing outright tells you that they've known about the Midnighters and their crystal all along. The exploration badge in Cimerora, the badge for defeating Romans, and the badge for completing ITF should all grant Entrusted with the Secret, since all three require time travel, and Ouroboros is watching your progress through those areas.
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"Trust me, it worked in the Simpsons." - Calash
ParagonWiki list all the ways that you can get this badge. Chronologist badge is not listed there, but probably should be. Maybe the Devs need to revisit this and add afew more ways to that list.
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Ramiel's arc *requires* Entrusted with the secret.
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Originally Posted by Jasra
Here's a stupid question - does Remiel's arc grant Entrusted? I doubt there's actually been a potential Incarnate running it that didn't already have the badge to test that, but theoretically you could do it just off of mooched portals.
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Or, you know. You could just jump up and grab Chrononaut instead of waiting 21 days in Ouroboros.
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Originally Posted by Gruumch
ParagonWiki list all the ways that you can get this badge. Chronologist badge is not listed there, but probably should be. Maybe the Devs need to revisit this and add afew more ways to that list.
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Originally Posted by Shubbie
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Recently I got my Burnt Matchstick dominator to level 50. I've spent most of her playtime on a weekly team running AE story arcs for the past couple years and I realized she didn't have an O-portal yet as almost all of her leveling was done in RWZ, and some costume missions, and the final couple levels to hit 50.
I wanted to run an ITF so I took her to Cimerora first, running Ashley McKnight's arc and ended up running Sister Arelia's arc instead of an ITF while I was there. I even grabbed the explore badge, but no Entrusted with the Secret.
Some discussion was involved and it was decided that maybe the Midnighters were hiding from Ouroboros, so their time travel didn't count. But I wondered if getting the Ouroboros day job would count for Entrusted with the Secret. I know I could just run up and grab the explore badge, but my curiosity was piqued. And besides, I didn't have any power pick I really wanted for level 49 except for Long Range Teleport, so she's technically still level 48 and can't start doing incarnate stuff yet.
And so I got someone to open an O-Portal for me and I parked her there while I played my other alts waiting for i21 to come. And just a few minutes ago she dinged her Chronologist badge and no Entrusted with the Secret. So she's been "working very closely" with Ouroboros, but they still haven't entrusted her with the secret of time travel yet.
Jerks.