Please Fix PvP

Fix PvP.


Thanks.

This is possibly the most useful and constructive thread I've ever read.

I am in awe of your depth of thought and greater understanding of the universe.

/signed!

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I agree. Fix it. Fix it like you would an inflamed appendix.

The fact remains though, that what the devs think PvP needs and what the players think it needs are not the same thing. i13 proved that pretty conclusively.

No matter how concise or well thought out a suggestion may be (and some of them HAVE been good suggestions, I'm not trying to suggest otherwise), if the devs do not agree that it is what PvP needs, it's not going to be done.

I don't think that free players being able to PvP is going to help much either. Free players in a PvP zone will be like shooting fish in a barrel that has no water in it. Being unfamiliar with the system and being unable to use IOs will be a hurdle most of them will be unable to overcome.

Fixed

This is coming from someone who only dabbled in PvP so here goes...

Fix PvP.

Seriously.

It can't be that tricky to simply revert to pre i13 rules I would think. SCR not withstanding.
In my reading on the subject it seems the 2 biggest killers added were heal decay and TS. Just remove them then. So what if it goes back to being the hardcore only segment it was before the 'update'?

Since the changes were made with the intent of wooing my type yet produced the extreme opposite result, driving away all but the most diehard, it would seem logical to return it to it's previous state.

At least then it was enticing to more players than it is now. The 'update' failed, time to revert to what worked.
Nay, way past time to revert to what worked.

I like this suggestion.
Also with removal of travel suppression and heal decay i would like pvp base resists lowered or removed.
DR curve on sonic and thermal shields looked at, add psi resistance in pvp as well which would make a new role viable.

If not a complete removal of travel suppression is doable return it to the old style travel suppression and adjust the dr curve on travel powers.

I rarely chime in to these discussion about "fixing" pvp, however, I really feel there is a lot of misconceptions out there and things that the general CoX population accept as facts that just aren't true.

Pre i13 pvp wasn't "good" in fact I would say that people who long for the "good old days of PvP" either really weren't that active in pvp back then or have forgotten the major issues that plagued pre-i13 pvp.


http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?t=122744


This is a post by Putz presenting the wishlist of ideas/concerns/complaints about pre i13 PvP.

Priority List:

The number one most requested feature by 175 PvPers- Selectable Arena Maps... Guess what we have them.

The second most requested feature- "Meaningful rewards" .... We got them, PvP IOs. Yes the system is widely abused and I would guess that less then 1% of PvP IOs are actually gained from PvPing but at least something was put into place.

The third most requested feature-The Only Affecting Self timer in the arena. Yeah... so this has gotten a lot better the timer to respawn used to be anywhere from 0-20 secs now I believe it has been shortened to 0-10 secs. The other huge complaint about the OAS was you could attack targets who were in OAS by "spawn camping" . This is much different then what we call spawn camping today, you could actually damage or stun a player who was only affecting self, now you are not able to do so.

Fourth- Granting +perception for villains in sirens call. Two fixes for this, pain dom and Going Rogue.

Fifth- Instanced PvP. Well we don't have access to this (yet-but with the queue system it maybe possible down the line).

So 4 of the top 5 (actually THE top 4) requests have been somewhat 'fixed'

The biggest issues and things that people hate right now are TS/HD in zone so where did these crazy ideas come from.... unfortunately if you go back and read that wish list post you will find one line:

Quote:[*] New PvPers feel overwhelmed as they try to get the hang of things. Consider adding a newbie friendly zone with debuffed damage, debuffed movement, and buffed resistance so players can learn basic mechanics at a slower pace.
Ouch, its like someone took what they suggested and ran with it... way too far. They made every zone, every type of pvp affected by these suggestions. This is where all the hate and venom about post i13 pvp comes from. This coloring of the pvp world in such broad strokes did indeed lead to people leaving the game, the one aspect of CoH PvP that people enjoyed was the fast pace, and suddenly it was gone. Now some of these changes were "fixed" with later arena changes where TS, HD could be turned off, however, turning off DR lead to a big issues because people still had these massive inherent resists.

So fixing PvP isn't as easy as just flipping a switch back to Pre i13. If you remove HD but leave inherent resists in place you are really making things with a self heal/healing aura types of powers very OP.

TS yeah that can and should be just tossed out the window- honestly, the reason for that was melee players were complaining that range characters would just hit and run on them (which is exactly what they are designed to do, but whatever) so the only logical fix and one that i beleive has been suggested over and over again is to have TS from only melee attacks along with the -range from taunt. This might allow melee characters to get off more then one attack while not making everyone play as if we are wearing lead boots.


So yes- get rid of TS and HD (with revisiting inherent resists) would go a long way in helping pvp however, the idea that NOTHING has been done to 'fix' pvp or make it better since i13 or that it was abandonded is simply not true.