I remember when Dual Pistols were just rumors and the entire Scrapper Community expected them to be a Scrapper set and were extremely excited about it.
Now you are trying to make yourself happy with an APP? That is kind of sad...
I'll be honest, I would love a pistol epic pool. For all melee ATs, not just scrappers. Giving them hail of bullets would be a bit overpowered, though. They'd have to nerf it some way. Personally I could see a scrapper version on a minute recharge, but doing only slightly more damage than a normal scrapper epic AoE and not having the defense that the ranged set gets. Though I think getting empty clips instead would be more likely.
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I think Brand means Rain of Bullets, the TAoE, not the Tier 9 PBAoE Hail of Bullets 
I'd love to see a Scrapper and Dominator Blade and Pistol set. Because, let's face it, having mid-short ranged attacks in Scrappers is NOT overpowered. If so, Spines, Claws, Kinetics and a few others haven't been informed that they should be imba 
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The problem you will never get around is that pistols are not a melee weapon and scrappers are a melee AT.
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I remember when Dual Pistols were just rumors and the entire Scrapper Community expected them to be a Scrapper set and were extremely excited about it.
Now you are trying to make yourself happy with an APP? That is kind of sad... |
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The problem you will never get around is that pistols are not a melee weapon and scrappers are a melee AT.
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Cmon guy, surely you see the difference between a handful of short-medium ranged weapons/attacks that are accessory to the melee sets and an entire ranged set, right? I'm not saying they'll never do it because it's not for me to say. But from my perspective, I'd rather them worry about other things than crafting a ranged attack set for melee characters.
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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
Yes, I remember 2004, too. I didn't have a driver's licence, a job or a higher education degree then.
Because shuriken and grenades are melee weapons? Because Fire Blast is a melee attack? Have you looked at an Epic/Anchillary/Patron pool lately (as in, since 2005)? |
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The problem you will never get around is that pistols are not a melee weapon and scrappers are a melee AT.
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Spines: Impale, Throw Spines
Kinetic Melee: Repulsing Torrent, Focused Burst
Blaze Mastery
Body Mastery
-Every other mastery, all of which have ranged attacks in them
So...what was your point again?
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No one's asking for a 'ranged' set for Scrappers. That would be stupid.|
Originally Posted by Please_Eddie
Cmon guy, surely you see the difference between a handful of short-medium ranged weapons/attacks that are accessory to the melee sets and an entire ranged set, right? I'm not saying they'll never do it because it's not for me to say. But from my perspective, I'd rather them worry about other things than crafting a ranged attack set for melee characters.
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People are asking for-
*Google fails*
Ok, go watch the Korean City of Heroes trailer with Spark Blade in it. The scrapper with a sword AND a pistol.
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The point, which was hard to miss, is that none of those attacks remove the primacy of melee from a scrapper. No more than having melee attacks in blaster secondaries means Blasters should get War Mace. Pistols are a ranged weapon. You can have Pistol Whip and Point Blank but that changes nothing as far as I am concerned. As for your Ancillaries, Body Mastery has one ranged attack (which I use in my Dark/Dark, as the "get that running fool!" attack). And if you want to create a scrapper whose principal attack chain is Blaze Mastery, have at it. |
Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha
Claws: Focus, Shockwave
Spines: Impale, Throw Spines Kinetic Melee: Repulsing Torrent, Focused Burst Blaze Mastery Body Mastery -Every other mastery, all of which have ranged attacks in them So...what was your point again? |
Now if they create a pistol scrapper set, I will make one. But again, I would personally rather they work on something else.
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Sword.
Sword and pistol.
Not a pistols set. A Sword AND pistol set.
You...seem to be either missing that rather important point or totally ignoring it,
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Yes. I agree wholeheartedly.
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Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha
Sword.
Sword and pistol. Not a pistols set. A Sword AND pistol set. You...seem to be either missing that rather important point or totally ignoring it, |
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Actually, what I was missing was that the idea was for an ancillary pool, not primary. I apologize for the confusion and do agree that would be cool.
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Yes. I agree wholeheartedly.
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And I'm okay with that! I really just want the animation!
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Originally Posted by Rebel_Scum
I'll be honest, I would love a pistol epic pool. For all melee ATs, not just scrappers. Giving them hail of bullets would be a bit overpowered, though. They'd have to nerf it some way. Personally I could see a scrapper version on a minute recharge, but doing only slightly more damage than a normal scrapper epic AoE and not having the defense that the ranged set gets. Though I think getting empty clips instead would be more likely.
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I totally mean the PBAOE! I want that animation to go along with my Scrapper! |
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I think Brand means Rain of Bullets, the TAoE, not the Tier 9 PBAoE Hail of Bullets
I'd love to see a Scrapper and Dominator Blade and Pistol set. Because, let's face it, having mid-short ranged attacks in Scrappers is NOT overpowered. If so, Spines, Claws, Kinetics and a few others haven't been informed that they should be imba |
Weakened version of no +Defense, smaller range, and possibly no more damage than a PBAOE in their Primaries? NO PROBLEM!
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The point, which was hard to miss, is that none of those attacks remove the primacy of melee from a scrapper. No more than having melee attacks in blaster secondaries means Blasters should get War Mace. Pistols are a ranged weapon. You can have Pistol Whip and Point Blank but that changes nothing as far as I am concerned. As for your Ancillaries, Body Mastery has one ranged attack (which I use in my Dark/Dark, as the "get that running fool!" attack). And if you want to create a scrapper whose principal attack chain is Blaze Mastery, have at it.
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Blaze Mastery...5 powers...all ranged.
I'm not asking for a Scrapper Primary. My suggestion was purely as an Epic set, and my picking the three attacks I did was purely for animation LOVE reasons.
If I had to pick the other two abilities, Swap Ammo and Bullet Rain. Swap ammo for the ammo swap and Bullet Rain as it's one of my favorite animations as well.
Also, using Hail of Bullets as a PBAOE wouldn't that mean, not really a ranged attack
So, that's 3 ranged attacks, 1 PBAOE (and I totally expect it to be downgraded and not nuke level), and 1 Gimmick power.
And no one would beable to make an attack chain out of Dual Wield and Executioners Shot.
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And I forgot, yes, give it to all the Melee ATs, but I just prefere my Scrappers 
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Who said anything about a SET? We're asking about an EPIC POOL, like all the other Epics and Patrons Scrappers have access to. These have ranged attacks in them, these have ranged control powers in them. ALL of them. Energy has Laser Beam Eyes and Energy Torrent, Pyre has Fire Blast and fireball and Char, Weapons has Web Grenade, Caltrops, Shuriken and Shuriken. What is your problem with shooting my ranged attacks out of a gun as opposed to out of my hands?|
Originally Posted by Please_Eddie
Cmon guy, surely you see the difference between a handful of short-medium ranged weapons/attacks that are accessory to the melee sets and an entire ranged set, right? I'm not saying they'll never do it because it's not for me to say. But from my perspective, I'd rather them worry about other things than crafting a ranged attack set for melee characters.
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No-one is asking for Pistol/SR Scrappers. What people are asking for Kat/SR Scrappers with a Pistol Epic. Do you know what Brutes get in their Mace Mastery? Mace Blast, Disruptor Blast, Mace Beam Volley. How is that not a ranged pool?
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Yeah, noticed the correction. I'm still leaving the post in, though. A Pistols Epic, if its powers are chosen correctly, can be well within the pattern of existing Epics and Patron powers.
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I think this is a perfect example of people needing to go back and read what other people have posted.
DP Epic would be interesting though.
Don't I know you???
Could totally get behind a pistol Epic, although I would advocate they take the time to animate it for a (Hand weapon) + Pistol stance to avoid stupid amounts of redraw...
That said, I would STILL /sign for an actual Scrapper Primary and Dominator Secondary that was a Blade + Pistol combo. Dominator version would be a standard mix of blade for melee and ranged for pistol, and would be arguably easier to balance.
The Scrapper version would use the pistol in tandem with the blade for melee range, and the pistol on it's own for a few pure range attacks in the same vein as Focus, Impale, etc from other sets.
Quick-cutting someone with a blade and then taking a step back to shoot them seems like perfectly viable melee tactics to me. And anyone who's played Assassin's Creed: Brotherhood will know that sword + pistol is incredibly viable even when it's not an actual held pistol
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I agree with the OP but something else in the thread caught my eye:
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. . .<Snip!> Ok, go watch the Korean City of Heroes trailer with Spark Blade in it. The scrapper with a sword AND a pistol.
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I love the Sword & Pistol set!
But what was all that other weirdness? Is all that stuff actually in the Asian version?
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heck, for a slightly different concept, do "close quarters combat" set and use either a combat knife or krav maga strikes. would work for military or spy type characters, or even a character like leon from the professional.
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I agree with the OP but something else in the thread caught my eye:
Thanks for the tip, just watched it for the first time and it looked great, but but many of the powers shown are ones I am not familiar with. I love the Sword & Pistol set! But what was all that other weirdness? Is all that stuff actually in the Asian version? |
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Could totally get behind a pistol Epic, although I would advocate they take the time to animate it for a (Hand weapon) + Pistol stance to avoid stupid amounts of redraw...
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If they keep to the trend of the damage on Scrappers, the only power I'm not sure of on DPS is Executioner's Shot. But factor in having to redraw weapons, I'm thinking it won't be a factor in DPS builds as the redraw would slow it down.
Dual Wield
Executioner's Shot
Bullet Rain
Swap Ammo
Hail of Bullets (smaller AOE, less damage, no +defense)
And with i21 making Epic Pools open at earlier levels, one could take all the powers, and have a MA or StJ/Whatever Character and \o/ Or in my possible case Titan/Whatever. >_> Okay who am I kidding, I'd have a lot of ???/???/Dual Pistol Epic just cuz I love the Dual Pistols
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Eh, I don't see that layout happening. Following the track of other Masteries;
T1: Dual Wield
T1: Suppressing Fire
T2: Executioners Shot
T3: Bullet Rain
I don't see Swap Ammo coming in at all. That's Dual Pistols 'Thing'.
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Then give it Hail of Bullets! Need the true gunfu!
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Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha
Eh, I don't see that layout happening. Following the track of other Masteries;
T1: Dual Wield T1: Suppressing Fire T2: Executioners Shot T3: Bullet Rain I don't see Swap Ammo coming in at all. That's Dual Pistols 'Thing'. |
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Dual Wield
Executioners Shot
Hail of Bullets
Pick any other two Dual Pistol abilities..
Dual Pistol Epic Power Set!
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