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Considering I want to use a two-handed weapon and dual pistols combo, that would instantly END any use whatsoever I might have for this set. I HATE holding my gun in my off-hand.
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Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha
Could totally get behind a pistol Epic, although I would advocate they take the time to animate it for a (Hand weapon) + Pistol stance to avoid stupid amounts of redraw...
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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
Considering I want to use a two-handed weapon and dual pistols combo, that would instantly END any use whatsoever I might have for this set. I HATE holding my gun in my off-hand.
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Forgot about Titan Weapons (I know, I know...)So, yeah, only for Sword, Axe and Mace. Katana maybe, but it has all two handed animations as well. That would need a 'Sword + Pistol' set to work right, not just an Epic.
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As a set, sure. I have no problem. But as a pool, I honestly want DUAL pistols regardless of the set I'm pairing them with, even if that's a one-handed weapon.
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Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha
So, yeah, only for Sword, Axe and Mace. Katana maybe, but it has all two handed animations as well. That would need a 'Sword + Pistol' set to work right, not just an Epic.
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Same!
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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
As a set, sure. I have no problem. But as a pool, I honestly want DUAL pistols regardless of the set I'm pairing them with, even if that's a one-handed weapon.
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To be honest they already started breaking down the short-medium range scrapper barrier. Have any of you seen Demon Summoning Whips? Wanna bet a month's sub that they will not eventually make a full set out of it?
There is nothing saying that scrappers could not get a pistol set with slightly different rules than the blaster set and yet use the same animations. Add a melee strike/combo or two (possibly involving hitting AND firing their gun), give them 1-2 ranged attacks like other sets, give them the PBAOE with different values.
Pistols/Dual Wield and the targeted AOE would like be replaced by a couple melee (either straight melee or melee/shots) or short range attacks. Keep Empty Clips in there as it's cone, executioners as a short range hit, keep a modified version of HOB as it's pbaoe. Confront and build-up. Now you have 2 attacks to account for. Either 2 heavy single target hits or 1 heavy single target and something with another cone/pbaoe depending on whether you want to make it a ST or AOE or balanced set.
It would also cut the need to develop new powers for a set down to 4 from 7. Though I'd recommend the Empty Clips animation be cleaned up during the process.
As far DP as a APP set? I just don't see them doing that because that is a very very specific concept to make a APP set.
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I've actually posted a build up of how to do it for scrappers that only had two actual range shots (1 ST blast, the other a short range cone...nothing different than KM, Claws, Spines) one PBAOE, and the rest were melee attacks that involved hitting and following up with a point blank shot.|
Originally Posted by Soul_System
To be honest they already started breaking down the short-medium range scrapper barrier. Have any of you seen Demon Summoning Whips? Wanna bet a month's sub that they will not eventually make a full set out of it?
There is nothing saying that scrappers could not get a pistol set with slightly different rules than the blaster set and yet use the same animations. Add a melee strike/combo or two (possibly involving hitting AND firing their gun), give them 1-2 ranged attacks like other sets, give them the PBAOE with different values. Pistols/Dual Wield and the targeted AOE would like be replaced by a couple melee (either straight melee or melee/shots) or short range attacks. Keep Empty Clips in there as it's cone, executioners as a short range hit, keep a modified version of HOB as it's pbaoe. Confront and build-up. Now you have 2 attacks to account for. Either 2 heavy single target hits or 1 heavy single target and something with another cone/pbaoe depending on whether you want to make it a ST or AOE or balanced set. It would also cut the need to develop new powers for a set down to 4 from 7. Though I'd recommend the Empty Clips animation be cleaned up during the process. As far DP as a APP set? I just don't see them doing that because that is a very very specific concept to make a APP set. |
One attack was akin to Combat Jumping, as you spun ont he ground kicked them up then let off a couple of shots at them as they were knocked up into the air. All a melee attack, it just used the pistols in the attack.
Ive given up on that idea though. This was just a suggestion for the Epic Pools.
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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
As a set, sure. I have no problem. But as a pool, I honestly want DUAL pistols regardless of the set I'm pairing them with, even if that's a one-handed weapon.
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Same!
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Originally Posted by Captain_Photon
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Oh, and No; Hell No to Dual Pistols MELEE set.
Fact: You need a MELEE weapon to hit people in MELEE.
There are various exceptions to that rule, but they also tend to obey a sleugh of rules from TvTropes, and tend to involve either martial arts or 'lolSuperstrength' (see: Alucard, Hellsing)
Sword/Blade and Pistol works fine. Melee and range, and people have been asking for it since day one, afaik.
Fighting someone in CQB with dual pistols isn't heroic or villainous, it just makes them look like a damn retard.
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Which isn't what was being suggested in this thread and never has been to my knowledge, I thought we were discussing an epic pool. Which in the case of scrappers contain all RANGED powers, so pistols make perfect sense.
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Well a power set is a slight De-railment of the thread, though the OP would highly desire it. But who said it had to be exclusively melee? Something like a 1-2-3 combo that sends an enemy flying with kb and then pumps a few rounds into them as they fly for good measure could be a "melee" attack. You have a good ole fashioned pistol whip, which is used real world lol. You could also be very short range (say 20 ft) with some attacks and still be forced to be in the thick of things. Look at whip attacks, 20-30 ft.|
Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha
Oh, and No; Hell No to Dual Pistols MELEE set.
Fact: You need a MELEE weapon to hit people in MELEE. There are various exceptions to that rule, but they also tend to obey a sleugh of rules from TvTropes, and tend to involve either martial arts or 'lolSuperstrength' (see: Alucard, Hellsing) Sword/Blade and Pistol works fine. Melee and range, and people have been asking for it since day one, afaik. Fighting someone in CQB with dual pistols isn't heroic or villainous, it just makes them look like a damn retard. |
I mean really all you need to do is watch anime, read comic books, and be creative. Heck as a finisher you could uppercut someone, send them into the air, and unleash on them with your pistols. To keep in line with the very non-realistic comic book flair this would chain a kb on a delay after the KU so that the pistol barrage then sent them flying. See that I just came up with 3/4 attacks required on the spot that wouldn't be truly melee with your pistols as much as it is meleeing with your body and complimenting it with pistols.
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Sword.
Sword and pistol. Not a pistols set. A Sword AND pistol set. You...seem to be either missing that rather important point or totally ignoring it, |
This is what scrappers need: Dual Pistol/Blades!
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Which isn't what was being suggested in this thread and never has been to my knowledge, I thought we were discussing an epic pool. Which in the case of scrappers contain all RANGED powers, so pistols make perfect sense.
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Originally Posted by Soul_System
There is nothing saying that scrappers could not get a pistol set with slightly different rules than the blaster set and yet use the same animations. Add a melee strike/combo or two (possibly involving hitting AND firing their gun), give them 1-2 ranged attacks like other sets, give them the PBAOE with different values. -etc- |
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This is what scrappers need: Dual Pistol/Blades! |
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Yes, but said characters in Anime (Example, Alucard) always have something else as well, not just pistols. In his case it would be a SS/DP/Badass powerset hybrid. Having JUST pistols doesn't work. Sword/blade and pistol, yes. |
Originally Posted by Soul_System
Well a power set is a slight De-railment of the thread, though the OP would highly desire it. But who said it had to be exclusively melee? Something like a 1-2-3 combo that sends an enemy flying with kb and then pumps a few rounds into them as they fly for good measure could be a "melee" attack. You have a good ole fashioned pistol whip, which is used real world lol. You could also be very short range (say 20 ft) with some attacks and still be forced to be in the thick of things. Look at whip attacks, 20-30 ft.
I mean really all you need to do is watch anime, read comic books, and be creative. Heck as a finisher you could uppercut someone, send them into the air, and unleash on them with your pistols. To keep in line with the very non-realistic comic book flair this would chain a kb on a delay after the KU so that the pistol barrage then sent them flying. See that I just came up with 3/4 attacks required on the spot that wouldn't be truly melee with your pistols as much as it is meleeing with your body and complimenting it with pistols. |
Just...meh. We may have to agree to disagree. Because I personally think a Pistols only SCRAPPER set would just look damn silly.
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Read your quote lol. You could consider it "SS" if you wish. Though IMO SS is more like Thor, Superman, and the Hulk. The type of stuff you see in Anime and that I'm discussing is more in line with Spiderman and Captain America.|
Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha
Yes, but said characters in Anime (Example, Alucard) always have something else as well, not just pistols. In his case it would be a SS/DP/Badass powerset hybrid. Having JUST pistols doesn't work. Sword/blade and pistol, yes.
Just...meh. We may have to agree to disagree. Because I personally think a Pistols only SCRAPPER set would just look damn silly. |
Not only that but the "super strength" power set, when you look at it, really isn't that super strong compared to everything else. Street Justice is about to give it a run for it's money, Various melee's hit just as hard and launch just as much (with less reason). Speaking of less reason, Soaring Dragon launches enemies like haymaker lol. I understand it, if they made it true Super Strength a la Champions Online the flying enemies would actually interfere with game-play.
I do however understand your concerns about it looking silly. I think if done right though it would be one of those sets people would roll, if nothing else, because it looked cool though
. With less thematic division than DP and it's Gun Fu. As far as the uppercut + pistols blast: think devil may cry with a fist instead of a sword.
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Would that we could have that, but you run into the problem of switching powers between using different TYPES of weapons, such as customizing Assault Rifle to instead fire from dual pistols. It's something I'd like to see, but is also something that may not even be possible in the current system and definitely something no red name has ever so much as mentioned or acknowledged.|
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Go-Go animation customisation!
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That said, I probably won't criticise a gun + blade combo, but I doubt such would get made just because the melee weapon could stand to have too much variety in appearance and fighting style to pick just one. Not gonna' complain, though.
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Oh, and No; Hell No to Dual Pistols MELEE set.
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Flamethrower and full auto from pistols? Want.
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Y'know, much as I'd support the idea of a this as an ancillary power pool, I'd really rather see it as a general power pool. Because the pistol attacks seem, to me, to be a more central part of the character. I'd hate to have to wait 'til late into a character, even if it were as "early" as 35, to have to get this character defining sort of ability.
For my money, and I mean that I would pay for this, I'd rather have it an option in the same point as the Fighting or Travel pool powers. And no, snagging a recipe for a snubnose pistol is not enough.
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I'd actually be fine with it as an Epic Pool power choice. For one thing, it's adding range, and I'd rather have somewhat decent damage numbers for these abilities, and putting them as a Power Pool option, I'd more likely take one power for the concept of pulling out the pistols, than taking multiple options and actually using them.
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Y'know, much as I'd support the idea of a this as an ancillary power pool, I'd really rather see it as a general power pool. Because the pistol attacks seem, to me, to be a more central part of the character. I'd hate to have to wait 'til late into a character, even if it were as "early" as 35, to have to get this character defining sort of ability.
For my money, and I mean that I would pay for this, I'd rather have it an option in the same point as the Fighting or Travel pool powers. And no, snagging a recipe for a snubnose pistol is not enough. |
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I'd like a skirmisher AT based around the Assault sets a la dominator
and Sword and gun is just one of the sets I'd like to see in such an AT
it could be Assault/Self-Buff
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I'm with BrandX on this one - I'd rather said Pistol pool be an Epic, because I'd rather it were solid, as opposed to sub-par as most pool attacks are. I realise that having guns may be central to a character, but you also have to realise that adding meaningful range to a Scrapper is a big thing, and something usually reserved for an Epic.|
Originally Posted by BrandX
I'd actually be fine with it as an Epic Pool power choice. For one thing, it's adding range, and I'd rather have somewhat decent damage numbers for these abilities, and putting them as a Power Pool option, I'd more likely take one power for the concept of pulling out the pistols, than taking multiple options and actually using them.
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What's more, making this an Epic means you can fine-tune it to correspond to the AT that's using it, as opposed to having to be a one-size-fits-all pool. The last thing I want is my Scrapper's guns being crap because they had to account for Controllers using them or some such.
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