The exact numbers will likely not be finalized until the on-going VIP beta ends.
Is it on the beta right now?
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That said, I don't know why they wouldn't hold to every other secondary/primary conversion when you go from Brutes to Tankers. Basically, Brute values are 75% of Tanker values.|
Originally Posted by je_saist
The exact numbers will likely not be finalized until the on-going VIP beta ends.
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As such, you have the following numbers:
Brute Values
Focused Fighting, Focused Senses, Evasion: 13.9%
Agile, Dodge, Lucky: 5.63%
Elude: 45%
Tanker Values
Focused Fighting, Focused Senses, Evasion: 18.53%
Agile, Dodge, Lucky: 7.5%
Elude: 60%
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When I did the math on paper a SR tank can be at 39% Defense to all positions with just level 50 IO's and no power pools. So getting to 45% is going to be a breeze on these.
My only problem with SR on a tank is the fact that no matter how much defense you have there is no resistance to back it up. So there is always a 1 in 20 shot of something getting through. It's a cool concept and I might try one my self, but from my experience on an SR/Elec brute I deleted at 44 I have a feeling I'll end up just as disappointing in the long run.
One thing about tanker SR that you don't get as much on scrapper/brute, is that while you still don't have much in the way of resistances you *do* get a much larger HP pool to absorb the hits that get through. Leaving aside incarnate stuff, that ought to help mitigate the 'sudden death' syndrome. While that's certainly not something unique to SR, what is nice is that the higher HP should make it harder for the scaling resistances to be leapfrogged by a single huge hit. It'll still have trouble with really hard hitting AVs, though.
On the other hand, it'll be the easiest set in the entire game to hit the incarnate softcap on, so it's got that going for it.
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Also - Martial Arts: Storm kick had its damage reduced, but added an all positions/types defense buff. It is now, for Tankers only, Parry Plus.
How's softcapping on DOs sound?
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Originally Posted by Smersh
Also - Martial Arts: Storm kick had its damage reduced, but added an all positions/types defense buff. It is now, for Tankers only, Parry Plus.
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Originally Posted by Aett_Thorn
Tanker Values
Focused Fighting, Focused Senses, Evasion: 18.53% Agile, Dodge, Lucky: 7.5% Elude: 60% |
(18.53 + 7.5 + 2.5 5) * (1 + (0.1*3)) = 43.589
To me, it seems like SR Tanks will be the "Golden Fox" of primaries. Starts out very strong, but hits a plateau early. Also, if "Real Numbers" is to be trusted, SR's passive resists have the same value as Brutes/Scrappers.
[edit: Using Schedule A values for defense is pro.]
I don't need the numbers. My MA/SR scrapper has a bargain IO build and is awesome on survival. I am awaiting SR for tanks with bated breath. (Mainly because I've taken every tank primary to 50 and have been dying for a new one.)
On a related note, my shield tank is at around 50% melee, 49% range and 46% AoE. SR is going to rule. 
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Toggles + Passive + Weave should be enough to hit soft cap I'd of thought. Not that I would take weave. If one may as well slot to skip it then its a free spot for something else. I wouldnt add Combat Jump neither. Trying to think here what I'd do:
I'd want to compensate for -def slightly, boost my accuracy, boost my end rec, boost my rechg for more flex over time. Cardiac.
Maybe best pair with DM, SS or even Ice Melee. -Dam from patron.
If with Aid self plenty of interrupt reduction, maybe +heal although +hp would be better...or say screw it I have enough SRs!
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It gives +10% defense to all positionals, though it's not enhanceable and it doesn't stack with itself. Basically, a perma +10% positional defense buff in combat from the moment you get it(level 2). Amazing.
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Originally Posted by Smersh
Also - Martial Arts: Storm kick had its damage reduced, but added an all positions/types defense buff. It is now, for Tankers only, Parry Plus.
How's softcapping on DOs sound? |
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Originally Posted by Auroxis
It gives +10% defense to all positionals, though it's not enhanceable and it doesn't stack with itself. Basically, a perma +10% positional defense buff in combat from the moment you get it(level 2). Amazing.
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We should poke the devs to make it types as well, so that other thematic pairings, like, say... WP/MA get a benefit from it, too.
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Playing with MA: Storm Kick on beta I've noticed the +def timing doesn't seem to be getting refreshed every time you land a successful hit. Even in the midst of numerous successful Storm Kick attacks the defense will drop briefly until the next successful hit.
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Originally Posted by Smersh
Oh, is it just positionals?
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Originally Posted by PapaSlade
Rangle's right....this is fun.
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My above calculations are with DOs. With SOs, all you'd need is toggles, passives, CJ, and Steadfast.
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Originally Posted by New Dawn
Toggles + Passive + Weave should be enough to hit soft cap I'd of thought. Not that I would take weave. If one may as well slot to skip it then its a free spot for something else. I wouldnt add Combat Jump neither.
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It does get refreshed, but it happens at a different time. If you have the buff on you, you lose it at the start of the animation(unless your to-hit check fails), and get it back when the attack connects.
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Originally Posted by Rangle M. Down
Playing with MA: Storm Kick on beta I've noticed the +def timing doesn't seem to be getting refreshed every time you land a successful hit. Even in the midst of numerous successful Storm Kick attacks the defense will drop briefly until the next successful hit.
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Also - Martial Arts: Storm kick had its damage reduced, but added an all positions/types defense buff. It is now, for Tankers only, Parry Plus.
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I'll have to double check it again on Beta. I was finding that using only Storm Kick as my attack, and having a string of successful attacks, that the defense would still drop for a moment, even right after a successful hit.
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It does get refreshed, but it happens at a different time. If you have the buff on you, you lose it at the start of the animation(unless your to-hit check fails), and get it back when the attack connects.
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Originally Posted by PapaSlade
Rangle's right....this is fun.
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Interestingly enough there's something going on. Watching the combat attributes as I'm attacking the +10% will drop briefly, right before landing the kick. If the kick "misses" the defenses won't drop until the 10 seconds are up. I'll have to make note of that over on the beta forums.
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Rangle's right....this is fun.
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My guess is the buff is set to "not stack from same user." When this happens, the game removes the first buff before reapplying it again - causing it to momentarily drop.|
Originally Posted by Rangle M. Down
Interestingly enough there's something going on. Watching the combat attributes as I'm attacking the +10% will drop briefly, right before landing the kick. If the kick "misses" the defenses won't drop until the 10 seconds are up. I'll have to make note of that over on the beta forums.
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Remember when the devs tried to make CM and similar powers not self stack? They ended up reverting that because reapplying CM could cause squishies to toggle drop. Same thing.
If its a straight port from Brute...
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Originally Posted by Smersh
Also - Martial Arts: Storm kick had its damage reduced, but added an all positions/types defense buff. It is now, for Tankers only, Parry Plus.
How's softcapping on DOs sound? |
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Just played around with a SR/MA tank on beta, and though I don't know how it'll be at high levels, having 28% melee defense at level 3 is pretty awesome.
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I got the continuity of the thread. I was just thinking out loud for myself. I think going for soft cap with DOs might cost me as a respec. Some people may feel that CJ is the obvious thing because its right before SJ. I'm like screw CJ because I find SJ limiting for an SR tank quite frankly so wouldnt want to at anytime be with leap pool in the build at all. 22 so easily achieved could have myself level up build that takes me right to my final build. Then with any changes of heart I got myself enough respecs left over for a complete revamp.|
Originally Posted by Sarrate
My above calculations are with DOs. With SOs, all you'd need is toggles, passives, CJ, and Steadfast.
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Edit: Med pool, Flight, Haste and Fight pool upto Tough would be my choice of additions.
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My SR/MA on Beta is getting the Storm Kick defense buff for all positions, but not types. |
Originally Posted by Smersh
Also - Martial Arts: Storm kick had its damage reduced, but added an all positions/types defense buff. It is now, for Tankers only, Parry Plus.
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Granted, I didn't try *all* types, but it didn't show for Smashing and Energy defense.I reported it as a bug, and I sincerely hope it isn't WAI. That would really suck for typed defense primaries.
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Do we know yet what the defense numbers of SR will be for tanks?