Weakest AT/powersets

Like I wrote in the first post, MA/Regen Stalker is pretty damn sucky: No AoE, smashing damage, very few HP to actually regen, very hard to build for Defence and no resistance means being one-shotted a lot. Placate will not work a lot of the time since no defence allows you to get hit whilst trying to hide. Unless MoG is up you better not attack anything remotely scary... Plus I don't like "missing out" on attacks on the account of having to click regen powers to survive...

Anythingexceptfire/Devices Blaster (even with Fire a /devices sucks pretty hard)

/FF Controllers suck quite a bit.

And while most Corruptors and Blasters can be made to do something fairly well, most non-fire blast and non-sonic blast toons suck comparatively (sonic blast toons generally suck compared to fire as well, but at least they adequately serve a particular purpose.) It is my feeling that pretty much every blast set needs a buff or rework. They're pretty terribly balanced.

No AT or powerset cant complete anything in the game, Heck I remember someone getting all the way to 50 in a reasonable time only taking required powers and pool powers the game is just that easy.

THe problem is and always has been relative power.

any blaster or stalker is weaker than other At's though if you spend 1 bil+ inf putting io's in, even they wont be weak.

Not sure why so many are picking grav control as weak in regards to damage. It has more attacking powers than most of the others. Look at ice control if you want no damage. Ice has what? ST immob, AoE immob, ST hold and pet. Oh yeah, it has Flash Freeze that does damage (whose brilliant idea was that?). Shiver = no dmg. AA = no dmg. Ice Slick = no dmg. Glacier = no dmg.

Grav gets dmg from everything but Dim Shift, WH and GDF. Crush = dmg. Crushing Field = dmg. Lift = dmg. GD = dmg. Propel = dmg. Sing = dmg. And sing is way tougher than Jack will ever be. I'd also say grav has more control ability than ice.

So if you want a weak controller combo, I'd go Ice/Emp. At least you'll have 3 heals for Jack cuz he needs em.

Yeah Ice does less damage then grav, but it does control much better, and we are talking about controllers. Both sets have the standard immobs and holds. Instead of a sleep it gets a stun that scatters so both powers are not as good as could be. Ice then gets 3 more controls, a range slow-recharge cone, for those that do not like melee, ice slick and AA, which make a great combo. It is amazing how well aoe running fear, aoe confusion and knock down stack.

I do agree grav is better at damage, having two attacks would do it, and sing is sturdier then jack, but jack does more damage, and I have no problem keeping jack alive with just my controls and my weak little rad heal. He also doesn't scatter like sing can. you may noticed I mentioned scatter a couple of times, while that is because scatter while it is a control it is also -damage. If wormhole pulled everything into a little group it would be one of the best controls around.

Ice Control does lack hard control later on. Not the greatest Dominator set because Ice Slick doesn't benefit from domination and the aoe control is pbaoe rather than range aoe.

I have say Gravity is better than Ice Control in the end. A well placed Wormhole is very satisfying. The problem is wormhole is not well liked on a large team especially with Brute/tanker/scrapper running in.

Gravity is really not bad. My very first perma dom is Gravity/Fiery and my friend saw it and made one himself. He said Gravity/Fiery is his most favorite dominator. We love wormhole mobs to corner and just unleash our aoe on them. If we see mobs standing above us, we wormhole down! We see them on the other side of the wall? We wormhole to our side! It can be very fun. You can't wormhole all of them at once due to 15' radius but you can reduce a lot of aggro that way.

I just hate Propel and Dimension Shift.

I got to ask, how have the devs ignored DP till this point, looking it DP and looking at archery.

DP is sooo utterly awful, its not even funny.

So Radiation blast sucks on a defender. Does it suck on a Corrupter also? I was thing about making a Rad/Rad Corr. Does the secondary may up for the primaries weakness?

It's rather difficult to choose the worst possible AT powerset combo in the game. Much of this depends on the player's skill with an AT's particular playstyle or even within the playstyle within the powerset combinations of an AT. There are some however that have such little synergy that they end up being quite simply poor choices that make for more difficult play.

Blasters: Electric / Devices. This set has such little synergy. Electric has low single target damage with no teir 3 single target attack. It's AoE is low. Devices is horrible for team play and only really has caltrops going for it. Solo it requires a lot of set up, with long animation times, and while it can end up being rather safe once all this set up is completed, any other combo will pull ahead simply due to sheer speed thanks to damage, multiple possible deaths included.

Controllers: Grav / Sonic. I love Grav, my first character to 50 is my Grav / Kin troller. That being said, paring Grave with Sonic makes for a very difficult soloing experience. Teams don't need the single target damage of a Grav controller, which is all it really has at the low levels. Then when pets come into play, any other troller pet can make use of the sonic debuff toggle, except trollers due to singy's repel aura.

Defenders and Corruptors: I'd have to go with Sonic / Electric. Force Field in comparision at least allows for a measure of ability to solo with cap'd defense. Sonic makes it much harder to do so. Again electric has no synergy with sonic, poor single target damage, and little aoe. Sonic has other problems, with many powers not having IO sets, no psi resists, and long recharge on its debuffs.

Current Peacebringers, and I'm not too sure the changes for i21 will do the trick, though it'll certainly help. But, I'm betting that post-change it'll probably be better that electric / devices Blaster

Brute / Scrapper: War Mace / Engery Aura. At least currently. And I'll place a major caveat here, any of the melee sets will probably still be easier for most people to handle than some of the AT powerset combos mentioned above, though if someone really can't play a melee person well, this is for them.

War Mace isn't actually that bad, its just not better than anything else Brutes currently have. The problem is that even post energy aura changes, War Mace has too problems that hinder its pairing with a set that will require mobs to be in melee range. It has many powers that disorient, which can force mobs to wander out of range, and its 2 top teir attacks cause knock back, one of which is a cone. While a skilled player can use knock back as an advantage even for melee ATs (it can be a great defensive opener), its dependant on the terrain, and even the powerset. Super Reflexes being positional defense in nature and doesn't require mobs to be in range inorder to provide the set any benefit, can really benefit from disoriented and knocked-back mobs. Not so much with /EA.

Tanker: Fiery Aura / Ice melee. I love FA but there's a reason its referred to as the Blaster set of Tanks. It's still probably the least survivable of the primary tanker sets outside of electric armor. Again there's a caveat that with IOs either can really pull ahead and do very, very well. The reason I chose this combo was because at least Ice Melee provides an Ice Patch that can really work well with high recharge builts and ElA to where mobs are flopping about and you can eventually end drain them. It'll be slow certainly, but with Burn only affecting 5 mobs, the damage output doesn't quite make up for the fact that now Ice Patch only really benefits FA in that it provides a moment to use Healing Flames, where as with Electric there's at least 2 powers that can be utilized during the patch to keep you going. That being said, while this set is probably the slowest at plodding along to take out and survive mobs, I'd still place it above the my top 3 of the worst.

Dominator: again I'd have to go with Gravity. Doms don't need the single target attacks in Grav and really benefit from sets that provide some form of control early on. That said, since gravity only has 2 aoe hard controls in the late game, sets that hare single target heavy absent of secondary control effects are probably the least synergistic. I'd probably place Grav / Electric Assault as the worst possible combination.

Stalker: I'm going to go with Energy Melee / Electric Aura. Nothing against EM or really any of the stalker primaries at all. It's this parting with ElA. First, ElA is solely bast on resists for an AT reliant on defense. It's low HP doesn't benefit much of resists. Even when compared to DA, DA at least has 2 control-esque toggles to help with mitigation. ElA only has the ability to drain end to assist in the mitigation of the set, which simply isn't enough for Stalkers. But since that's what it has to offer, paring it with Energy Melee is a poor choice due to the disoritents. Some may say this is perfect in order to provide soft control for a secondary lacking such, but since the secondary needs mobs in range to drain end, having them druken stumble away is counter productive. Also, it's difficult to juggle any medium sized gathering of mobs with single target attacks to keep enough sufficiently disoriented inorder to simply keep standing to fight them off.

I wish I could provide more infor on this last AT, MMs, but I'm not experienced enough with the various primaries to say which is the least synergistic, and thus poorest combination. I know that the Ninja and Mercs have some difficulties, and I'd imagine paring one or the other with something like Force Field makes for slow profress, but eventually, it probably will still be better than some of what I've mentioned above.

For me, the worst of the worst is my #1 pick: Electric / Devices Blaster.

I stand corrected. It's been a long time since I've used WM and as such I probably missed that the knock back was changed to knock down. Are the top teir attacks changed from kd to kb when a kb is slotted? That's how far back it's been for me.

This is probably off topics but I was told that Grav/TA controller was very rare. Any reason why?

TA also has a bad rep as a Defender primary, but is really fine as a Controller secondary. I enjoy my Mind/TA because both sets compliment each other: Mind has no AoE immob but Glue Arrow can prevent foes from running everywhere, Mind gets a good and early ST attack chain (Dominate-Mesmerize-Levitate) but is low on AoE damage... which is not a problem if I can make the mobs BUUURN by lighting an Oil Slick (also useful around a corner to handle an inc, because Mind alone has nothing like Carrion Creepers or Ice Slick).

And if I had to make a Grav/ one, I would pair it with /TA to get added controls because seriously, when Grav's AoE hold is not available, I wonder what I can do to negate the alpha (with /TA I could alternate Gravity Distortion Field and Conserve Power + EMP Arrow; Wormhole is soooo slow it's not an option in a team).

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Originally Posted by Tannim222 Are the top tier attacks changed from kd to kb when a kb is slotted? That's how far back it's been for me.

Yes I think they are.