Weakest AT/powersets
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Posted on: 2011-08-11 04:22 in Archetypes and Powers General Discussion
Petless Masterminds. 
Even then, I managed to solo an elite boss on mine in the mid-teens...
There really is just about nothing in this game that is entirely unplayable. Sure, there's a lot of variations in effectiveness (depending on what you're looking for as 'effective', or course.)
I have a feeling that I'd be interested in trying out a lot of things that could be suggested in this thread. The first three suggestions all made me think, "That doesn't sounds so bad..." 
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Originally Posted by Miladys_Knight
Grav/FF controller.
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I have one of those. She sucks. What about 21 makes them better?
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Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison
Until i21 hits: Human Peacebringer.
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Warshade
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Originally Posted by Crim_the_Cold
Warshade
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Warshades are by no means at the pinnacle of uberness, but they aren't at the bottom either.
I'm more concerned about how building one just seems like acting in a Back to the Future movie (yea... it feels old, like some really old design).
As to answer the OP's question, I'd toss in Psychic/Devices Blaster. While I have no idea how such of a combination would turn out, the two sets are generally considered on the lower end, if not the lowest among Blaster sets.
Peacebrigners are generally considered sub-par, or at least on a worst state than Warshades.
Stone/Stone Brute. Playing it without Granite armor (aka with a sh*t ton of toggles as well heavy endurance-using abilities; or how to murder a blue bar). Why without Granite? Because with it, there's less SMASH!
Most Stalker sets are considered below their Scrapper or Brute counterparts. Though I'm not much of an expert about Stalkers, some of them are by no means 'gimped'.
A few Masterminds primaries have issues... that should be addressed. For starters, Ninjas are defense based, but their defense is just so low, it makes you question if they actually have any.
And than there's the pet AI, which seems to have become better... for the newest set (Demons) only.
I sincerely think that one of the great thing about this game is that, unless you're going for a very specific goal, no matter what powerset or AT you choose, it's bound to be useful and have its own moments every now and then. Of course, some of them excel more 'easily' and frequently than others, but you get the point!
I don't really think warshades are bad. I was just trying to irritate Dechs a little bit. In my case warshades are just not my favorite brand of awesome.
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Originally Posted by rsclark
I have one of those. She sucks. What about 21 makes them better?
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I know Grav/FF is no Fire/Kin and Human PB is no Tri-Form Warshade and it would be nice if all the ATs were closer to each other in performance capabilities, but whenever one of these pops up, I'm always amused by what people think are unplayable. (Note: I know nobody here said these were "unplayable", but it's usually just a matter of time before someone does)
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Originally Posted by Ossuary
I seem to play a lot of "weak" builds.
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Peacebringers are not weak. They can complete any single player mission in the game and they can meaningfully contribute to any team for any and all content.
Peacebringers are, however, relatively weak. They are only weak when compared to the capabilities of just about anyone else.
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Well, I have created a PB but I don't think I will limit myself to human form. Now it only remains to see if I can bring myself to level it up to 50 and through the incarnate grind.
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Originally Posted by Ghostwind_EU
Well, I have created a PB but I don't think I will limit myself to human form. Now it only remains to see if I can bring myself to level it up to 50 and through the incarnate grind.
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I honestly found the trials to be a lot of fun with him, since the level/composition of the spawns cut down on his KB a lot of the time. The Lambda warehouse is also one of the few places I've used Dwarf regularly. Mist has acted as his teams "tank" in there a number of times and did pretty well with it.
So, yeah. Do have a go at it. The Incarnate thing is perfectly do-able with a PB and Clarion Destiny is well worth the time investment. Polar Light Lore pets are also a lot of fun and a good FX match for our aliens.
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Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison
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Originally Posted by Miladys_Knight
Grav/FF controller.
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I wrote pancake in myself by the way.
Grav/FF rules
I call mine old faithfull...because she just plain gets it done.
It seems I need to delete my Grav/FF, Stone/Stone Brute and human PB
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You can take any other controller primary and secondary and get it done better. I know. I've done it.
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Originally Posted by Nyx
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I wrote pancake in myself by the way. Grav/FF rules I call mine old faithfull...because she just plain gets it done. |
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-I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use. - Galileo Galilei
-When injustice becomes law, resistance becomes duty. - Thomas Jefferson
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Even Grav/Sonic?
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Originally Posted by Miladys_Knight
You can take any other controller primary and secondary and get it done better. I know. I've done it.
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I would think so. Resist buffs are a lot more rare than defense and Sonic has debuffs instead of being a pure buff set so overall it's more useful than FF. FF is better if you need a lot of defense and don't have many defense buffs from other team members, but on most teams a Sonic will add more to the team than a FF will.
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Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison
Even Grav/Sonic?
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Oh sure, on a team it would do better. I have my doubts about solo performance, though.
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Sonic is a very poor solo set, possibly the worse buff/debuff set for soloing. On a Controller in general, its helped by having a pet to place Disruption Field on, but not for Gravity.
Singularity with Disruption Field looks wonderful as a representation of the planet Saturn, but doesn't really work in practice 
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Singularity with Disruption Field looks wonderful as a representation of the planet Saturn, but doesn't really work in practice
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Yes even solo. Sonic Siphon > Force Bolt and Liquefy is way better than Force Bubble as a tier 9. Repulsion Bomb doesn't really make up the difference.
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Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison
Oh sure, on a team it would do better. I have my doubts about solo performance, though.
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-Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. - Albert Einstein.
-I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use. - Galileo Galilei
-When injustice becomes law, resistance becomes duty. - Thomas Jefferson
The Tank Mages thread got me thinking...
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From that thread:
Toons of all ATs get a lot of toys with the incarnate powers such as pets, AoEs and buffs. This makes all ATs increasingly similar as everyone can do everything.
I started thinking it might be a fun challenge to create a normally considered "weak" toon and pimp it to the max with IOs and incarnate powers.
What AT/powersets are most gimp? I'm thinking maybe:
* MA/Regen stalker (heh, my first 50
* PB
* Something with terrible redraw... maybe TA/Pistols?
* ...
Any ideas?