Restricted AT's?


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So I just got into the beta client and was making my test character and noticed I'm unable to create an MM...is this right are we only limited to certain AT's in the beta?


 

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Account server is currently down - so the game doesnt know you're a vip - so you dont have access to controllers, MM's, EAT's or any unlockables.

It is down because of an account security issue found by players and will be up as soon as they can hotfix the issue (account data could show another players personal info... because of the issue they immediately closed the acct server to correct the problem)


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Free players are restricted. I got my account authenticated earlier and even unlocked some of the extra power sets. I think beam is the only one I don't have unlocked.

Anyway once the account server is working again you should get awarded your correct Vet status.


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As I recall, Controllers and Masterminds are locked from free play. The stated reason is "they tend to drain CPU time more." I can't find a post on this, but I know there was one.

I understand that justification for Masterminds - the henchman stuff probably has the game doing backflips. But Controllers? They're Control/Buff. You can already get both of those sets in at least one AT that's already existing.

Dominators have Control (/Assault)
Corruptors have /Buff.

I'd say a Dominator and a Corruptor, teamed up, is ALMOST the same as a Blaster (Ranged/Support) and a Controller (Control/Buff). I'm playing fast and loose here suggesting that ranged/support is similar to ranged/assault. But still.. what extra CPU cycles would a Controller take, that any other non-Mastermind wouldn't? Is it Containment?


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So basically you can't try out all the new stuff which they promised. Damn they are getting as bad as WoW now.


 

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So basically you can't try out all the new stuff which they promised. Damn they are getting as bad as WoW now.
If that were true this game would have lousy graphics, a crappy costume creator, millions of subscribers, and so much money there'd be no reason to switch over to F2P.


 

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If that were true this game would have lousy graphics, a crappy costume creator, millions of subscribers, and so much money there'd be no reason to switch over to F2P.
I was referring to the adding more content before actually fixing bugs in the game. VIP Beta shouldn't of come out till all the new content was working properly.


 

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I was referring to the adding more content before actually fixing bugs in the game. VIP Beta shouldn't of come out till all the new content was working properly.
So they shouldn't actually beta test the game until... they've already beta tested the game?


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I was referring to the adding more content before actually fixing bugs in the game. VIP Beta shouldn't of come out till all the new content was working properly.
...you do realize that if all the new content was working properly... there wouldn't need to be a beta.


 

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...you do realize that if all the new content was working properly... there wouldn't need to be a beta.
As this is the 2nd wave of the Beta, yes I expect the Paragon Point system to be working at the very least.


 

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But still.. what extra CPU cycles would a Controller take, that any other non-Mastermind wouldn't? Is it Containment?
I think it has to do with the fact that a Controller is more likely to be spamming their AoE immobilize than a Dominator is.

A Dominator has other options to deal damage, where a Controller is pretty reliant on it's primary for damage dealing. And most of the AoE powers in Controller primaries are pretty heavy on CPU usage.

I suspect there is actually a similar problem with Dominators, but the devs felt it wouldn't be fair to lock 2 Villain ATs and only 1 Hero AT, so they just locked the worse Villain offender. (masterminds)


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As this is the 2nd wave of the Beta, yes I expect the Paragon Point system to be working at the very least.
So you're really that surprised that the system got broken when hundreds of people all log on, make new characters and buy all the new shiny things all at the same time? It's a beta, if you expect everything to be working perfectly aside from the "small bugs" that could be as simple as typos in the mission text, then you need to lower your expectations.


 

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So you're really that surprised that the system got broken when hundreds of people all log on, make new characters and buy all the new shiny things all at the same time? It's a beta, if you expect everything to be working perfectly aside from the "small bugs" that could be as simple as typos in the mission text, then you need to lower your expectations.
I need to, esp since bugs in the game like my rest power not showing up in my tray when I lvl to lvl 2 still after a year of petitioning still are around.


 

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I need to, esp since bugs in the game like my rest power not showing up in my tray when I lvl to lvl 2 still after a year of petitioning still are around.
That's not a bug. You might not like it, but I've never heard that it's supposed to just pop into your power tray. No other inherent power does that.

As for the rest? Yeah, it's still in Beta. Not on the test server. The Beta server. The Devs shouldn't have everything done on the Beta server. That's where it goes for stress testing and the identification of bugs that they couldn't find with a small group. When it goes to the Test server, that's when it should have most of its bugs worked out.


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Stuff breaks all the time on live, and that has a buffer in the form of the test server to try to catch the worst of it. I don't think it's unreasonable, then, to expect problems on beta - ESPECIALLY with the sudden influx in the number of testers. Part of an open beta is the stress test; things that worked 'fine' in closed beta with a limited user base may break under the weight of a dramatic increase in users. If/when they do break the devs can then fix and optimize to account for it. The Beta exists to diagnose these problems.


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As this is the 2nd wave of the Beta, yes I expect the Paragon Point system to be working at the very least.
It does work. I have redeemed my points and have everything unlocked. Then we overloaded the server.


 

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As this is the 2nd wave of the Beta, yes I expect the Paragon Point system to be working at the very least.
It works great. When the store/account server doesn't crash under the load. And that is one of the points of the open beta. It gave them a massive wave of incoming traffic to stress test the new store/account server. It didn't hold up under the stress so they will need to expand it's resources to handle it.

The fact that it crashed and burned the first day is actually a decent sign because this gave them good solid data on how much they will likely need to scale it up for a live release.


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I need to, esp since bugs in the game like my rest power not showing up in my tray when I lvl to lvl 2 still after a year of petitioning still are around.
What is this really stupid obsession with the rest power?

I have to go and add powers to my tray by hand for movement at 4 so why on earth is this a problem?

I declare that this is normal behavior and think that they fixed the bug where it would force itself unwanted into your power tray.


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Aett & Terra - to be fair, rest used to auto-appear and, with no note to indicate it was part of some bug fix (or unintended and turns out for some reason they are leaving it as is) we have no clue what the dev stance on it is.

Midgard2, as noted beta is for finding bugs. If it's true about the security issue, I'm guessing the issue didn't show up until the server was under heavy load - one of the reasons why betas are in stages. Small group to find the more glaring/stable/obvious bugs, then you ramp up the test group size for both data collection and stress testing. Once it goes to test - and/or is called a "release canidate" (a term the devs don't really use on the boards) - that's when you expect the big stuff to be squashed.


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Guys this is the internet you really shouldn't be surprised that there are people that assume beta testing is nothing more than a sneak peak at new content so everything there should work perfectly.


 

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I need to, esp since bugs in the game like my rest power not showing up in my tray when I lvl to lvl 2 still after a year of petitioning still are around.
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Originally Posted by Aett_Thorn View Post
That's not a bug. You might not like it, but I've never heard that it's supposed to just pop into your power tray. No other inherent power does that.
Sorry, Aett...gotta disagree with you there. It used to drop into your tray when you got it. It doesn't anymore, and hasn't for a few years now.


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Sorry, Aett...gotta disagree with you there. It used to drop into your tray when you got it. It doesn't anymore, and hasn't for a few years now.
But I declare that the fact that it used to drop into your tray was a bug and they have clearly fixed it so it behaves like the other optional powers now.


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wth, im pretty sure my rest power still drops into my tray at level 2, at least on my last 4 toons i made in the last couple of days it has, yall gonna make me go make another toon just to test this out.

on another note, why does it matter, if it does fine, if it doesnt fine, if you want it on your power tray put it there, if you dont want it remove it, only takes a few seconds to do that. now if the game is not giving you the rest ability under your powers tab, i can see that being a problem and maybe should be /bugged to let support know, but on your power tray, really, really. kind of a silly thing to be complaining about either way to me.

Beta servers equal problems with game, get used to that. Hell for seven years this game has had odd little quirks that dont seem to get fixed, maybe thats why i really enjoy this game so much, its got personality.


 

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Originally Posted by midgard2 View Post
As this is the 2nd wave of the Beta, yes I expect the Paragon Point system to be working at the very least.
And it was, just fine in fact.

Until the next larger wave started and stressed the system appropriately for a scaling beta progression.

You did want to help with testing right? And not just pet and hug the shiny?


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Originally Posted by Lxndr View Post
So they shouldn't actually beta test the game until... they've already beta tested the game?
I'm sure the test results will be largely paradoxical.