Hero vs Villain Epics
By
Adeon Hawkwood,
Posted on: 2011-08-04 10:47 in Archetypes and Powers General Discussion
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I believe that you're right.
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Originally Posted by Obscure Blade
I believe you mean Vigilante, not Rogue.
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@Roderick
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How, on earth, would that be easier?
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Originally Posted by Madadh
Easiest way to fix that flaw is to not allow a respec into a different PPP
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It's still four more days than what a villain has to do to get their epics.
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Originally Posted by Roderick
Total time spent "stuck" with villain only content: 2 days.
Total time spent switching sides: 4 days, plus a few extra missions during the leveling process. |
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So what you're saying is there is actually, maybe, just possibly ONE area in which villains have an advantage over heroes?|
Originally Posted by Amy_Amp
It's still four more days than what a villain has to do to get their epics.
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Oh yeah...we need to put a stop to that RIGHT NOW!
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Well considering Villains had to fight for 2 years to get Patron pools into the state they're in now I'd say your getting off easy at 4 days.
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Originally Posted by Amy_Amp
It's still four more days than what a villain has to do to get their epics.
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Sorry, heroes shouldn't get access to patron pools if they are too lazy to take a little time to venture into the red side. Patron being the keyword here as in this case, it translates to Ghost Widow, Sirocco, Black Scorpion and Captain Mako. Within the context of this game, it makes no logical sense to allow heroes to worship villains, arch-villain at that. If that is allowed, we might as well just merge the two sides and rename this game "City of Neutrals". It wouldn't be a bad idea honestly but since PS will never do that, my assertion stands.
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Originally Posted by ultrawatt
I think PPPs should be a redside only thing. Heck, it's one of the only "advantages" there is to playing redside rather than blue.
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Originally Posted by Zem
So what you're saying is there is actually, maybe, just possibly ONE area in which villains have an advantage over heroes?
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I hate you Fanboish people.
Of course it is a flawed system and they should be available just like Hero epics.
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Yeah the same way Archmage and Geas of the Kind Ones are available right?
Oh wait, those have specific badge requirements to unlock, oh look so do the Patron Pools.
Personally, I feel that heroes should go through the same hoops that villains need to go through in order to unlock the Epic powers. Not necessarily having a hero patron have you run missions, but something centralized on the specific training needed to access those powers. Like a series of missions where each power in the Epic pool is a temp power. That way players figure out how they work and can decide if they want it or not. I also believe that you need to go through some sort of mission story-line to unlock a different patron's powers. A mission or series of missions where you betray your previous patron for your new patron. This adds to the late-game content and allows the players to become more fully immersed in the politics of the villain hierarchy.
Complaining about the amount of time necessary to unlock VILLAIN powers for your HERO seems to be complaining about not having an easier way to exploit the game.
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Devs hate heroes?
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Originally Posted by Mirage_Mage
I hate you Fanboish people.
Of course it is a flawed system and they should be available just like Hero epics. |
Villains: Annie Alias, Dr. Amperical, Shade Golem, Knight Marksman
Heroes: The Clockwork Mime, Soccerpunch, The Fissioneer, Samurai Houston, Oversteer
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Really? If my fame is filled, I have never had a tip drop... not even for a morality mission. I can't seem to get a new tip, no matter how much I grind, until one of the fame slots opens.|
Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill
... except you don't have to wait a day to run the morality mission.
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The only way I've been able to spoof it is by being sure to leave enemies alive in my 10th Tip mission. Once I finish it, defeating those enemies seem to be the only way I've had any chance for getting the Morality mission that day.
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Devs hate fangirlish people?
I don't suffer from altitis, I enjoy every minute of it.
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I would like to see, for heroes a corruption, light, system. You do some missions for one of the big name villains, who are giving you a taste of what you could be...Look at the power, the sheer freedom you could have without those pesky shackles of morality, oh wouldn't it be nice to be able to turn off the bat signal and get an extra couple of hours of sleep, or shouldn't you only save people worth your time and effort? Then at the end of this arc, you could choose to become a villain or not but in order to keep those granted powers you have to beat said villain in a mission. Then have Recluse chuckling from behind the screen where he was watching this whole sick play, about how you have proved his Might makes right theories...MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA
just a thought
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The RNG hates you then, I guess. I do it regularly - sometimes takes a bit of grinding out, other times I have it drop within the first few things I attack. You probably have another tip mission - even though it doesn't count, run it. It makes sure you have the spot clear, and it's stuff to kill while getting the mission.
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Originally Posted by OneWhoBinds
Really? If my fame is filled, I have never had a tip drop... not even for a morality mission. I can't seem to get a new tip, no matter how much I grind, until one of the fame slots opens.
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Fortunately, the devs realized the other way (giving Villains access to non-patron-tied APPs) was far and away a better idea, since not everyone wants to be tied to one of the Patrons or Arachnos in general. |
Originally Posted by Ronin_Edge
Personally, I feel that heroes should go through the same hoops that villains need to go through in order to unlock the Epic powers.
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Personally I'm for heroic "mentor/patron" pools for RP and diversity reasons.
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Really. You should be able to get a morality mission drop even with all the fame meters filled. Works this way for me every time. Unless the tip systems works differently for you than for everyone else, I can't imagine why you're unable to get a morality drop.
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Originally Posted by OneWhoBinds
Really? If my fame is filled, I have never had a tip drop... not even for a morality mission. I can't seem to get a new tip, no matter how much I grind, until one of the fame slots opens.
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Villains: Annie Alias, Dr. Amperical, Shade Golem, Knight Marksman
Heroes: The Clockwork Mime, Soccerpunch, The Fissioneer, Samurai Houston, Oversteer
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I'm all for keeping Patron Pools forever tied to Patron Arcs requiring a Villain to do them.
Its not convenient, easy nor does it favor Blueside (for once).
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I wouldn't be against the idea of them similarly tying the APPs to hero mentors with a story arc to unlock (such that villains would have to switch sides to get them), but... I just think there are way more important things they could spend their time on than something that just doesn't NEED to be "fixed".
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Heroes: The Clockwork Mime, Soccerpunch, The Fissioneer, Samurai Houston, Oversteer
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I also think PPP would be villian exclusive. There is already too less reason to go red side nowadays and with going rogue game just become blue side dominant. If you want PPP on your heroes wait for freedom, make your toon villian at tutorial, level up to 40 (do tips when available they give XP too you know) get your PPP than change side. Frankly its my first time people asking for removing content (story arcs for PPP) from a game.
I would like a all new set of new epic powers for heroes like a mentor set separate from the current Hero APP's they would work like the villian patron pools where we choose like the statesman an get a set of custom powers from him like that ground pound that calls down the lightning after we run some missions for him. or even better Preator Epics
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I would like to have synapse (or Neuron's) self duplicate power. Possible way to do it as a summon that has your powers (like the shadow mirror things at the end of positron's first arc)
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Originally Posted by Redd Rumm
I would like a all new set of new epic powers for heroes like a mentor set separate from the current Hero APP's they would work like the villian patron pools where we choose like the statesman an get a set of custom powers from him like that ground pound that calls down the lightning after we run some missions for him. or even better Preator Epics
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