Stumbled On A "What If..." scenario I never knew about...
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Posted on: 2011-08-02 09:07 in Comic and Hero-Villain Culture
I remember this issue, the villain in this issue was also Bravado's half-brother. Dr. Doom and Enchantress child.
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So Enchantress was a ****?
Another thing I recall from this issue. The Malefactor's full name was Vincient Von Doom, but some of the kids called him Vinnie. Which greatly annoyed him.
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I remember reading about Crusader when I was looking up people who wielded Thor's hammer. I didn't look up all other kids of this what if though. Wolverine and Storm I could see, as those have hinted at being into each other in the past. Overall some odd pairing in there. Such as Captain America and Rogue, guess being super soldier he can survive having sex with the girl who drains lifeforce heh.(Edit: ok I see for the profile:Sarah RogersCarol took over Rogue, that makes more sense to why she'd be with Steve then.) Shehulk and Hawkeye? Torch and Wasp, I picture Hawkeye and Wasp getting together before those other pairing, but I am guessing they were going for what would spawn the right powers for the gimmick or name they wanted to have for the What If. Or they're just going with the captivity rule (see Seinfeld.), trap any people in same environment long enough they'll go at it heh. Either way was like a forerunner for the Next Avengers cartoon. (hopefully those kids will pop up in Marvel's contunuity at some point too.)
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Captain America and Rogue's daughter: Crusader who can fly...has super strength....knows how to use the shield....and is apparently worthy enough to wield Mjolnir |
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Hawkeye and She-Hulk were doing some back and forth banter during the Secret Wars series, I suppose the writers took it from there. Human Torch and Wasp, though? I have no idea where that would come from.
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Someone will probably have to confirm this, but my knowledge on Secret Wars is a bit sketchy. But wasn't Hank Pym stuck in jail when Secret War was happening?
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Originally Posted by Ms. Mesmer
...Human Torch and Wasp, though? I have no idea where that would come from.
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Is this in any way a surprise? It may be the least out-of-character feature of this premise. |
Originally Posted by Inazuma
So Enchantress was a ****?
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Also, wow, a What If...? that doesn't inevitably lead, from even the most trivial of background changes, to the end of the world? That's unusual.
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I've seen a couple like that....one was "What if...Wolverine, Agent of SHIELD." where Wolverine gets tapped by SHIELD before the X-Men and ends up taking over for Nick Fury after a successful assassination attempt by Hydra remnants (or at least a Baron Strucker android) killed the Colonel....|
Originally Posted by Captain_Photon
Is this in any way a surprise? It may be the least out-of-character feature of this premise.
Also, wow, a What If...? that doesn't inevitably lead, from even the most trivial of background changes, to the end of the world? That's unusual. |
the world ends up much less chaotic, and much more mutant/super friendly than it ends up with Charles taking the mutant lead
though I should notice that apparently at the end of 114, the kids get back to Earth to find that it had been overrun by Sentinels
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I've noticed this about alternate history/continuity stories in general, not just in What If ...? and other comics. For instance, "Nazis win World War II" stories are common, while "World War I never happens" stories are rare. I think it's because, like any other kind of story, such a story has to have conflict, and it's difficult to have a conflict about a "changed" reality unless that reality itself somehow threatens the characters.|
Originally Posted by Captain_Photon
Also, wow, a What If...? that doesn't inevitably lead, from even the most trivial of background changes, to the end of the world? That's unusual.
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Examples from comics that break this mold include DC Elseworlds stories that are more or less transplantings of their existing characters to other settings (think "Gotham by Gaslight") and an interesting What If ...? special from a few years back that included a Soviet Fantastic Four, Daredevil as a historical, manga-like figure, and Captain America fighting in the Civil War (with a really neat outfit and interesting uses of Bucky and the Red Skull). There was also a series of What If ...? one-offs around the same time that more or less restricted their scope to single characters, which made for far fewer world-ending messes.
Oh, and my favorite What If...? story of all time, "What If Dr. Doom Became a Hero," is also an exception to this rule.
As you can tell, unlike a lot of forumites around here, I like alternate history stories.
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I've noticed this about alternate history/continuity stories in general, not just in What If ...? and other comics. For instance, "Nazis win World War II" stories are common, while "World War I never happens" stories are rare. I think it's because, like any other kind of story, such a story has to have conflict, and it's difficult to have a conflict about a "changed" reality unless that reality itself somehow threatens the characters.
Examples from comics that break this mold include DC Elseworlds stories that are more or less transplantings of their existing characters to other settings (think "Gotham by Gaslight") and an interesting What If ...? special from a few years back that included a Soviet Fantastic Four, Daredevil as a historical, manga-like figure, and Captain America fighting in the Civil War (with a really neat outfit and interesting uses of Bucky and the Red Skull). There was also a series of What If ...? one-offs around the same time that more or less restricted their scope to single characters, which made for far fewer world-ending messes. Oh, and my favorite What If...? story of all time, "What If Dr. Doom Became a Hero," is also an exception to this rule. As you can tell, unlike a lot of forumites around here, I like alternate history stories. |
Soviet Union collapsed due to economics and Warsaw Pact sort of stayed together, but the entire collection of Warsaw Pact countries has devolved into various civil wars...with nuclear weapons in Russia that everyone's afraid will get launched eventually
the US has three States in Asia: Kyushu, Okinawa and Shandong...a strong part of why they're US territory is because Burma is afraid of the US and having US soil in the area made them hesitant to attack that way
the strongest countries of the "Free World" are US (of course, being that the author is American), Free China, North African Alliance (focused out of Egypt) and Australia (which received an upswing of power when nuclear energy became more preferred since they have a lot of the deposits required for the fuel)
other political elements that are going to be important:
Avalon, a group of basically modern paladins with mercenary as a cover
Psyche, provides financial and social support for the world's hidden psychic community
Path of the Golden Dawn, a secret society that has devolved into seeking power for power's sake
Yomi, originally an extradimensional disaster shelter, now home of the Demons, oldest known sentient Terran species
Nirvana, an extradimensional colony, now home of the Gods, another ancient sentient Terran species
Yomi and Nirvana rebels, who want to overturn their leaders' policies of fitting in with humans and go back to being what they are, the Immortal rulers of the planet...and to go back to trying to kill each other as well
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I have always loved most of the Marvel What If
& DC Elseworlds stories.
The Elseworlds story I hope that they eventually do is one where Kal-El receives the Power of Shazam.
Imagine it, Kryptonian intellect paired with the Wisdom of Solomon; Kryptonian Strength, Speed & Invulnerability combined with the Power of Shazam.
I wonder how different would the Superman of that world would be compared to our Superman.
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No, he was cleared after Egghead died. He was retired from being a hero at that point. I just wonder about Wasp and the Torch because I don't even recall them interacting during the series.
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Originally Posted by Unknown_User
Someone will probably have to confirm this, but my knowledge on Secret Wars is a bit sketchy. But wasn't Hank Pym stuck in jail when Secret War was happening?
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iirc Rogue was overcome by Carol Danvers's personality which explains how her and Cap hooked up.
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Originally Posted by Lastjustice
I remember reading about Crusader when I was looking up people who wielded Thor's hammer. I didn't look up all other kids of this what if though. Wolverine and Storm I could see, as those have hinted at being into each other in the past. Overall some odd pairing in there. Such as Captain America and Rogue, guess being super soldier he can survive having sex with the girl who drains lifeforce heh.(Edit: ok I see for the profile:Sarah RogersCarol took over Rogue, that makes more sense to why she'd be with Steve then.) Shehulk and Hawkeye? Torch and Wasp, I picture Hawkeye and Wasp getting together before those other pairing, but I am guessing they were going for what would spawn the right powers for the gimmick or name they wanted to have for the What If. Or they're just going with the captivity rule (see Seinfeld.), trap any people in same environment long enough they'll go at it heh. Either way was like a forerunner for the Next Avengers cartoon. (hopefully those kids will pop up in Marvel's contunuity at some point too.)
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They (Next Avengers) already have in Bendis and Romitia's 1st story arc in Avengers after the Siege relaunch
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Originally Posted by Lastjustice
I remember reading about Crusader when I was looking up people who wielded Thor's hammer. I didn't look up all other kids of this what if though. Wolverine and Storm I could see, as those have hinted at being into each other in the past. Overall some odd pairing in there. Such as Captain America and Rogue, guess being super soldier he can survive having sex with the girl who drains lifeforce heh.(Edit: ok I see for the profile:Sarah RogersCarol took over Rogue, that makes more sense to why she'd be with Steve then.) Shehulk and Hawkeye? Torch and Wasp, I picture Hawkeye and Wasp getting together before those other pairing, but I am guessing they were going for what would spawn the right powers for the gimmick or name they wanted to have for the What If. Or they're just going with the captivity rule (see Seinfeld.), trap any people in same environment long enough they'll go at it heh. Either way was like a forerunner for the Next Avengers cartoon. (hopefully those kids will pop up in Marvel's contunuity at some point too.)
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always loved reading the "What If" stories, my absolute fav is
and he puts some major pain on Cap in that issue.
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Superman's powers don't get along very well with magic, IIRC. He'd probably have to go on the 25-day DL with Flu-Like Symptoms.
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Originally Posted by Hero_of_Steel
Imagine it, Kryptonian intellect paired with the Wisdom of Solomon; Kryptonian Strength, Speed & Invulnerability combined with the Power of Shazam.
I wonder how different would the Superman of that world would be compared to our Superman. |
Ah yeah, I need to dig through my 'box o' books' and find that one. Another factoid from that delightful little tale was just what's in store for anyone who stays bonded to the Spider Man Symbiote too long.
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I think you mean "the Venom symbiote", or just "the symbiote"... but yeah. I remember that. Squiiick.
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Originally Posted by M_I_Abrahms
Another factoid from that delightful little tale was just what's in store for anyone who stays bonded to the Spider Man Symbiote too long.
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So, what DOES happen?
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Originally Posted by Megajoule
I think you mean "the Venom symbiote", or just "the symbiote"... but yeah. I remember that. Squiiick.
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The Klaw blasts Symbiote Spider-Man and it reveals, as he screams in pain, that the only thing left under the symbiote are the bones of Peter Parker.
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Originally Posted by Rabid_M
So, what DOES happen?
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Wouldn't that make it a parasite instead not a symbiote? heh.
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Originally Posted by Unknown_User
The Klaw blasts Symbiote Spider-Man and it reveals, as he screams in pain, that the only thing left under the symbiote are the bones of Peter Parker.
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Wouldn't that make it a parasite instead not a symbiote? heh.
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the "symbiote" has always been a misnomer, probably by someone who had limited biological understanding
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Ah, the grand old days of Marvel where they were allowed to run rampant with their imaginations....I remember one of the old early issues where they had the Fantastic Five (or what if Spider-Man joined the Fantastic Four, which he almost did early on) and also included Reed Richards being in Doom's body....don't ask.
Conan in the 20th century was a hoot, because they actually did a story where his spirit came through and was there briefly, and he became this fearsome member of the Avengers...and then they reversed the format and had 'What If Thor were trapped in Conan's time' with the pair fighting it out and eventually deciding the only way for Thor to get home was to go and speak to Crom...to never be seen again.
Really interesting and offbeat stories back then.
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....What if #114
heard about it online and had to look it up because of the last of the new characters I'm going to mention
basic premise, at the end of the Secret Wars, the heroes and villains fail to return to Earth and are stuck there
they end up have kids who form a new avengers:
Wolverine and Storm's daughter: Torrent
Thor and Enchantress's son: Bravado
She-Hulk and Hawkeye's son: Mustang
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Captain America and Rogue's daughter: Crusader
who can fly...has super strength....knows how to use the shield....and is apparently worthy enough to wield Mjolnir
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I'm not sure whether the concept is awesome or Mary Sue
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