A premium feature I'm surprised no one has asked for yet with the new F2P system
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Posted on: 2011-07-29 11:33 in Suggestions and Ideas
We're more likely to get Pay-For levels than we are a total respec. Not only are there huge technical hurdles, it would be like ringing the dinner bell for power levelers and account sellers.
"Null is as much an argument "for removing the cottage rule" as the moon being round is for buying tennis shoes." -Memphis Bill
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Short answer, not going to happen.
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Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill
See every prior thread on this and redname comment.
Short answer, not going to happen. |
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Yeah, power set respecs have always been CoH's canonical example of the Why We Can't Have Nice Things principle at work. Which was and remains tragic, because - particularly with characters who've been established for years now and new power sets coming periodically - it'd sure be fun for those of us who wouldn't abuse it.
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Originally Posted by Lemur Lad
We're more likely to get Pay-For levels than we are a total respec. Not only are there huge technical hurdles, it would be like ringing the dinner bell for power levelers and account sellers.
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As someone who has a high level of altitis I've never been a proponent of this idea, nor am I one yet. I've re-rolled toons that were into their mid 30s when I decided I just wasn't happy with the powerset choise I'd originally made. But, I was thinking about it earlier and came up with an idea.
A. Each Character can only get ONE lifetime full respec. Make the wrong powerset choice? To bad, so sad, you lose. No going back for another attempt.
B. You can't switch Archetypes. You originally rolled a scrapper, you can't switch to a controller, or VEAT, etc. You're stuck as a scrapper.
C. The individual toon MUST have been created at least 24 months ago if not 36 months ago. (not sure if the game would be able to track that.)
D. With the new Paragon Point system it would cost at least 2400 pts per character respec, if not higher.
E. Your character title would turn red for 3 months after you did the respec, giving a warning to other players that you are probably not as familiar with your powersets as a normally leveled up toon would be.
Again, I don't think the total respec is necessary, but this may satisfy some who want/desire/"need" it.
Throwing darts at the board to see if something sticks.....
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Originally Posted by PapaSlade
Rangle's right....this is fun.
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While I like the idea and have 1 character that would use it, I still think it would be a mistake because it sets a precedent. That whole slippery slope thing. I prefer the devs remain resolute on this topic even tho it means I have a character I don't play anymore because I don't like my choice of powersets.
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Originally Posted by Rangle M. Down
As someone who has a high level of altitis I've never been a proponent of this idea, nor am I one yet. I've re-rolled toons that were into their mid 30s when I decided I just wasn't happy with the powerset choise I'd originally made. But, I was thinking about it earlier and came up with an idea.
A. Each Character can only get ONE lifetime full respec. Make the wrong powerset choice? To bad, so sad, you lose. No going back for another attempt. B. You can't switch Archetypes. You originally rolled a scrapper, you can't switch to a controller, or VEAT, etc. You're stuck as a scrapper. C. The individual toon MUST have been created at least 24 months ago if not 36 months ago. (not sure if the game would be able to track that.) D. With the new Paragon Point system it would cost at least 2400 pts per character respec, if not higher. E. Your character title would turn red for 3 months after you did the respec, giving a warning to other players that you are probably not as familiar with your powersets as a normally leveled up toon would be. Again, I don't think the total respec is necessary, but this may satisfy some who want/desire/"need" it. |
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Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
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The Devs have said, quite emphatically "We will not and do not want to do this."
Not "There are technical barriers" or "We would if we had time/resources" or anything like that which was said for previous 'impossible things'. This is a flat out "No. Do not want."
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Originally Posted by Zwillinger
GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Photon
NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.
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Aside from E (coloured titles is a 'vet' reward and also, who's to say the player HASN'T played those sets before? The game can't track that)...that's not actually a bad idea. Although I still don't see the Devs altering their stance on it.
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Originally Posted by Rangle M. Down
As someone who has a high level of altitis I've never been a proponent of this idea, nor am I one yet. I've re-rolled toons that were into their mid 30s when I decided I just wasn't happy with the powerset choise I'd originally made. But, I was thinking about it earlier and came up with an idea.
A. Each Character can only get ONE lifetime full respec. Make the wrong powerset choice? To bad, so sad, you lose. No going back for another attempt. B. You can't switch Archetypes. You originally rolled a scrapper, you can't switch to a controller, or VEAT, etc. You're stuck as a scrapper. C. The individual toon MUST have been created at least 24 months ago if not 36 months ago. (not sure if the game would be able to track that.) D. With the new Paragon Point system it would cost at least 2400 pts per character respec, if not higher. E. Your character title would turn red for 3 months after you did the respec, giving a warning to other players that you are probably not as familiar with your powersets as a normally leveled up toon would be. Again, I don't think the total respec is necessary, but this may satisfy some who want/desire/"need" it. |
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Originally Posted by Zwillinger
GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Photon
NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.
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Not crazy about E simply because the unfamiliarity with the powersets may not be true (I'd switch a secondary out and am familiar with it, just not on that toon obviously), but the rest works. I've only got one toon that I'd want to change her secondary to better fit her concept (there were no dual pistols when I made her). |
Originally Posted by Rangle M. Down
As someone who has a high level of altitis I've never been a proponent of this idea, nor am I one yet. I've re-rolled toons that were into their mid 30s when I decided I just wasn't happy with the powerset choise I'd originally made. But, I was thinking about it earlier and came up with an idea.
A. Each Character can only get ONE lifetime full respec. Make the wrong powerset choice? To bad, so sad, you lose. No going back for another attempt. B. You can't switch Archetypes. You originally rolled a scrapper, you can't switch to a controller, or VEAT, etc. You're stuck as a scrapper. C. The individual toon MUST have been created at least 24 months ago if not 36 months ago. (not sure if the game would be able to track that.) D. With the new Paragon Point system it would cost at least 2400 pts per character respec, if not higher. E. Your character title would turn red for 3 months after you did the respec, giving a warning to other players that you are probably not as familiar with your powersets as a normally leveled up toon would be. Again, I don't think the total respec is necessary, but this may satisfy some who want/desire/"need" it. |
While it's not a big deal to me--if it were, I guess I could rename her and reroll with /dp (or delete her *gasp* Nevah!), but . . . well, that's just not going to happen, it would be nice to respec her to /dp. Very nice.
[waffling, indecisive comment ends due to waffling indecision]
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Last word I recall hearing on this from the Devs wasn't "we don't want to" but "we don't see any point." Still a no but not quite as emphatic.
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Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha
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The Devs have said, quite emphatically "We will not and do not want to do this." |
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It was as emphatic as Black Pebble would let Posi phrase it.|
Originally Posted by Shadow State
Last word I recall hearing on this from the Devs wasn't "we don't want to" but "we don't see any point." Still a no but not quite as emphatic.
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Saying "Oh hell no, we ain't EVER doing that" is the stuff of marketing nightmares.
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The AE would have been a better system if not for the people who willfully abused it. Discuss.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Photon
Yeah, power set respecs have always been CoH's canonical example of the Why We Can't Have Nice Things principle at work. Which was and remains tragic, because - particularly with characters who've been established for years now and new power sets coming periodically - it'd sure be fun for those of us who wouldn't abuse it.
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Ignoring the technical aspect for the moment, the only way I could see a Total Respec working from a balance perspective is if the character were reduced to level 1 in the process.
The character could keep things they've unlocked (like accolade powers or extra costume pieces/slots), but have to start leveling aaaaaall over again. And that's realyl to the player's benefit, because they'll get to learn their new powersets, just as if a comic character suddenly got a whole new bunch of powers replacing their old one. (See: Electric Superman for the most prominent example)
... that said, it's still not worth the time to implement, when you can pretty much already accomplish the same thing by deleting and recreating the character.
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That word, I don't think it means what you think it means.
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Originally Posted by je_saist
It was as empathetic as Black Pebble would let Posi phrase it.
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"Null is as much an argument "for removing the cottage rule" as the moon being round is for buying tennis shoes." -Memphis Bill
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Hence my use of "probably" instead of saying the person "has no clue" about their new powerset. You may have an understanding of your new set, but there will still be people who would switch to a power set they haven't used before for that particular AT, or on other ATs. and would have no clue. Hence the "red flag". |
Originally Posted by Tahliah
Not crazy about E simply because the unfamiliarity with the powersets may not be true (I'd switch a secondary out and am familiar with it, just not on that toon obviously), but the rest works. I've only got one toon that I'd want to change her secondary to better fit her concept (there were no dual pistols when I made her).
While it's not a big deal to me--if it were, I guess I could rename her and reroll with /dp (or delete her *gasp* Nevah!), but . . . well, that's just not going to happen, it would be nice to respec her to /dp. Very nice. [waffling, indecisive comment ends due to waffling indecision] |
Throwing darts at the board to see if something sticks.....
Come show your resolve and fight my brute!
Tanks: Gauntlet, the streak breaker and you!
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Originally Posted by PapaSlade
Rangle's right....this is fun.
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You would be correct. The correct word was emphatic.|
Originally Posted by Lemur Lad
That word, I don't think it means what you think it means.
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As has been pointed out before, some of the accolade powers you can get are very nice and would be a bit over powered on a low level character. Which is another point against just restarting characters again at lvl 1. IF the devs ever did this, you can almost guarantee they'd find a way to lvl gate Accolade power unlocks somehow. Which in turn might effect how the powers work/don't work when exempted. |
Originally Posted by Thunder Knight
Ignoring the technical aspect for the moment, the only way I could see a Total Respec working from a balance perspective is if the character were reduced to level 1 in the process.
The character could keep things they've unlocked (like accolade powers or extra costume pieces/slots), but have to start leveling aaaaaall over again. And that's realyl to the player's benefit, because they'll get to learn their new powersets, just as if a comic character suddenly got a whole new bunch of powers replacing their old one. (See: Electric Superman for the most prominent example) ... that said, it's still not worth the time to implement, when you can pretty much already accomplish the same thing by deleting and recreating the character. |
Also consider some of the temp powers you can get leveling up. Warwolves, Amy's Ward, etc.
Throwing darts at the board to see if something sticks.....
Come show your resolve and fight my brute!
Tanks: Gauntlet, the streak breaker and you!
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Originally Posted by PapaSlade
Rangle's right....this is fun.
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That still doesn't make any sense to me. We can't red flag 50s on people who've been playing a week and pl'd in AE and have no idea what their powers are or how to use them, so what would be the benefit of red flagging a 2+ year vet (by your criteria, with which I agree) on a respec to a different primary and/or secondary set on an old toon? I wouldn't waste my one-time "total" respec on a power set I didn't know how to play (I guess some would, but again, the red flag is a bit over the top to me given the A-D requirements you laid out).
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Originally Posted by Rangle M. Down
Hence my use of "probably" instead of saying the person "has no clue" about their new powerset. You may have an understanding of your new set, but there will still be people who would switch to a power set they haven't used before for that particular AT, or on other ATs. and would have no clue. Hence the "red flag".
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What would be the point of that? That's not a respec, might as well just reroll if you have to start at lvl 1.
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Originally Posted by Thunder Knight
Ignoring the technical aspect for the moment, the only way I could see a Total Respec working from a balance perspective is if the character were reduced to level 1 in the process.
The character could keep things they've unlocked (like accolade powers or extra costume pieces/slots), but have to start leveling aaaaaall over again. And that's realyl to the player's benefit, because they'll get to learn their new powersets, just as if a comic character suddenly got a whole new bunch of powers replacing their old one. (See: Electric Superman for the most prominent example) ... that said, it's still not worth the time to implement, when you can pretty much already accomplish the same thing by deleting and recreating the character. |
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Rerolling wipes all the character's badges, mission arc souvenirs, etc., some of which are difficult to recover, a few of which can't be recovered at all, and all of which are part of the character's history - along with the M-civilians' total time estimates and whatnot - about which there are still a few of us left who care. Having to start over, but keeping that stuff, may be an attempt at compromise with the "No. Despite being a veteran player, you somehow wouldn't know how to play any more if you changed power sets, and that would make the Baby New Year* cry. Reroll" crowd. At least, that's how I perceive it.|
Originally Posted by Tahliah
What would be the point of that? That's not a respec, might as well just reroll if you have to start at lvl 1.
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* This is not the actual expression, but, well, you know.
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Originally Posted by je_saist
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Ah, okay, that makes sense. I wouldn't do a respec that had me starting at lvl 1 on a toon, but I can see why others might be interested in doing so given your explanation. Thanks!
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Originally Posted by Captain_Photon
Rerolling wipes all the character's badges, mission arc souvenirs, etc., some of which are difficult to recover, a few of which can't be recovered at all, and all of which are part of the character's history - along with the M-civilians' total time estimates and whatnot - about which there are still a few of us left who care. Having to start over, but keeping that stuff, may be an attempt at compromise with the "No. Despite being a veteran player, you somehow wouldn't know how to play any more if you changed power sets, and that would make the Baby New Year* cry. Reroll" crowd. At least, that's how I perceive it.
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Dude I've been playing for 7 years and I have never gotten a Melee AT over level 40. Mainly because I don't enjoy playing melee alts. So despite my level of veterancy I have no idea how to properly play any of the melee powersets.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Photon
Having to start over, but keeping that stuff, may be an attempt at compromise with the "No. Despite being a veteran player, you somehow wouldn't know how to play any more if you changed power sets, and that would make the Baby New Year* cry. Reroll" crowd. At least, that's how I perceive it.
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Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
Dude I've been playing for 7 years and I have never gotten a Melee AT over level 40. Mainly because I don't enjoy playing melee alts.
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Do pay attention, 007.
"Total Respec"
Almost everyone has a character concept they developed with sets that were available but have grown to regret playing up to whatever level cause it just isn't fun or believe would fit better as something else/newer and remains parked there
Respecs that only change 1 powerset would have a certain cost, both sets would be double that cost, both sets and AT would be triple
Respecs that only changed AT but kept the same powersets would cost the same as a 1 set respec, AT and 1 set would be double, and again AT + both sets triple.
Includes origin respec
Name change sold separately
Since lots of individual items are no longer bundled in with everything else and have to be purchased separately why not add something like this? I'm sure some f2pers would pay for something like this and so would some VIPs