When are you going to update all the models

Id rather have CoH's Mitten hands rather than that other games sausage fingers.

When a game is under development, you tend to have a much larger team of people simply to handle the volume of art assets that the game needs. With this game we had the original launch going to the CoV launch and the GR launch which was when the staffing levels were a lot higher than the times in between. So it does boil down to a simple manpower issue.

Also it's probably unlikely that all the textures were first done up at a very high resolution and were then sampled down to the current texture size. If that was the case then it would be a lot easier to create a higher rez texture pack. But I doubt that was every the case.

Also IIRC bump mapping was only added to the game at the time CoV came out. And while bump mapping may be able to offer the illusion of depth between the fingers (the way brick walls and the sidewalk are given the illusion of varying depths), it's still a matter of having high enough resolution of the hand texture maps so it would look somewhat acceptable. Even if the texture maps have enough resolution, it will still require someone to add in the bump map, test it, tweak it for every hand/glove model the game has.

Personally I'm a lot more interested in improving the old faces and improved/standard resolution for the chest logos than worry about mitten hands.

Maybe if there's a huge influx of money from Freedom they will be able to hire more artists for costume item revamps, otherwise I don't see it coming anytime soon.

Just my 2 inf.

To make a CoH 2 could solve many many issues that we currently have. A whole update to the graphics of the game, a clean slate for powersets to be updated and adjusted, new game mechanics and engine to allow the use of new types of powers that we can't get currently(Swinging/Growing & Shrinking/etc). Lots of possibilities.

But it also comes with huge risk. You never want to split the player base and that's exactly what would happen. Some players would migrate to the new game, others would find that their favorite thing just wasn't possible in the new game and ignore it. And now you have two half-populated games, which will cause a bleed in subscribers 'cause no one wants to play in an empty game. Ok almost no one.

They also have to worry about getting the money to MAKE this new cutting edge game. They'll have to split resources between two games and maintain them both. If there's not enough of a bump from the new game, this could stress them to the breaking point.

The biggest most important issue I see though is the sheer amount of stuff IN CoH1. No matter what they do with CoH2, it's not going to have the same amount of content, costume pieces, villain groups, powersets. It's not going to have the same number of systems(flawed or not). There will be no social groups established unless they're pilfered from CoH1 which will never be a 100% transmission.

What I imagine to be large sections of the player base, if allowed, will just keep playing CoH and waiting for CoH 2 to get updated enough to be worth switching. Which means a smaller amount of players playing CoH2. Now they could decommission CoH 1 but that would just anger tons of players. Trying to force them into a new game so NCsoft, looking at the numbers, wouldn't axe the game for not drawing enough people.


So, yeah, I see two main outcomes of making a CoH 2. Either the playbase splits and we see a slow death for one or both of them. Or they shut down CoH 1 in favor of CoH 2 and enrage a large section of their players(The Vet players).

Personally, I think they need to upgrade CoH 1 INTO CoH 2. Make a massive update that adds in multiple new graphic updates, engine updates, and so forth. And slowly transition from the game relying on the old stuff, to the new stuff. Add in a toggle that lets us switch from the old models to the new models in our options.

Like Ever Quest did with... what was it called... The Tiger People update. They added in new Player models and gave players the option to view the old or the new ones. So, as the new models have the old existing parts converted over into new ones and added into the new Costume creator, the players who have costumes that can't be re-created in there can just use the legacy models.

Leave the powersets in the game as they are, with new options for CoH 2 players(Obviously we'd have to pay for this). Add in a 10th power, new updated animations and effects. Whatever new options they wanted to have. Update all the villain groups and the zones. Add in new "CoH 2 only" zones as well.

Anything they wished to get rid of, the multiple currencies for example, could just be ignored in the new world order. Yeah it would take more then a year of slow transition to get to this point. But at the same time it allows us to keep everything we want to keep and throw away the rest while also gaining all sorts of new things.

Replace this game from the inside out, one organ at a time, until it is an entirely new beast.

That's my insane proposal for the day.

You know, I never really noticed we didn't have fingers.

OP, thank you!

I have been asking for fingers for a long time. At this point I don't even care about how much work would be needed to add fingers. We need to have fingers like a big-boy game.

The mittens was a poor design 7 years ago. This game is only a tiny bit older than WoW and they have fingers.

Simply speaking it is time for fingers at all costs.

...ALL the models?

All dem models needs updatin'.

Honestly, I seriously would detest to a sequel coming out, if that's what you mean. I kind of sunk the last 7 years into this game alone.

And another thing...

Would it be possible to somehow split hair and hats from each other, so that they can be selected individually?

Yes, I know that it would mean that you would have to rebuild all hat models AND add some magic tech to somehow remove part of the hair model from the renderer.

But... please?