So, those coming Pool Power changes...

Yeah really. Geez, I can hardly wrap my mind around having formations for your team! Like do you actually try to maintain a specific physical position or is it meant simply to be a mental state? Seeing it in action sounds impressive, at least. I think I'd rather just go really really fast though.

Okay but you read the rest of my post, right? I didn't specify that we were talking about a tanker and neither did you, from what I saw. You seemed to be proposing that nobody should take death-based powers because any death is a failure for the entire team. This is what I dispute. Even if the failure part were true that wouldn't be cause to skip those powers but I don't think it is true in the first place.

Someone who runs ahead and leaves their team to die is not accurately appraising the situation. Running ahead is a viable tactic if the rest of the team is doing fine and if an understanding exists among the teammates that a division of labor can accomplish the task before them more effectively than a team blob.

Vengeance happens to be a power that disproportionately rewards defeats to the point where an extremely viable speed tactic is carrying a corpse around with you and never resurrecting it. To call that bad because it involved defeat is to miss the point. Do you want to do a speed TF deathlessly, or do you want to do it right?

I should of course add that vengeance is awesome in almost any situation other than a master of or a hami raid, not just speed tfs, but they happen to be an area where it shines.

I don't have Vengeance on many characters. On one of the ones that do, my Rad defender, I have fully slotted Fallout and Mutation waiting to follow it.

I don't sit back and let people die... but when they do, I take full advantage of it.

You did say that, and then you said this:

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Originally Posted by JayboH No, see, he is playing in such a way that he is soloing and doesn't seem to care if he gets his teammates killed. He blames their build instead of his thoughtlessness.

You suggest that getting a chance to use vengeance indicates that a player has failed his team. Presumably, then, allowing any teammate death is a failure whether vengeance is involved or not. If all defeats are failures and you're this adamantly opposed to them, surely even taking a power based on such a situation would be ridiculous?

Keep in mind that you said this in response to a guy who was telling you merely that he uses vengeance, without saying anything else about his character or style of play.

People are worried about letting thier teammates die? Wow...IMO, if people aren't dying at least every couple of fights, then the difficulty setting is too low.

Heads up: it ain't so.