Best -res AT w/ build
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Adeon Hawkwood,
Posted on: 2011-07-27 15:50 in Archetypes and Powers General Discussion
Totally puling this out of my *** but I am gonna say cold/sonic fender.
I think it's Traps for stacking it on a single target, not sure though.
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I forgot about acid mort. What are the numbers on the -res from that? I cant wait to see what defenders can do now with Thermal coming. should be fun.
Right now its a trap defender, they can stack debuffs.
We have to wait and see on thermal being ported over. But traps should still beat it.
Well if you include Fallout It's a Radiation/Sonic Defender. The issue there is that requires you to drag a dead comrade around.
In a static fight the winner is probably a Traps/Somic Defender. With perma-hasten levels of recharge a Trapper can get 3 acid mortars out all of the time (with a fourth up sometimes). Against a single, reasonably stationary target that gives 79.8% debuff plus whatever you get form Sonic.
After that you're generally looking at around 40% which quite a few characters can hit. A lot of Defender primaries have a 30% res debuff which they can stack with Sonic attacks.
One left field option to remember is the Arachnos Spider. If you take Mace Mastery you can stack Shatter Armor and Poison Grenade for -40% as well. Alternatively Leviathan Mastery lets you stack a total of -35% against a group.
I've seen it a couple times and I'm confused as to why people thing Thermal is some great debuffer. It's not bad, but it's not one of the better sets. All it has is Melt armor and Heat exhaustion. Melt Armor is a nice enough debuff when your looking at debuff values, on par with other -res debuffs, but the area and recharge are lacking. Heat Armor is a nice enough single target debuff, but it's on a long recharge. I mean looking at it's recharge and duration, one would think it was AE, but it's not.
As far as the best -res, right now for a single target you can keep from moving to much, it's a traps/sonic defender. Runner up choices are really any other /sonic defender where the primary has a -res debuff. Basically the rest of them are fairly similar when it comes to -res. I can't remember if Sleet/Freezing Rain will stack if you get the recharge up enough, if so, then Cold/ or Storm/ would come in behind Traps/.
I could never get use to the time it takes to setup an attack for traps or maybe my attack chain was off who knows.
3 acid mortars out with the archilles heel proc is a beautifull thing.
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Why does it take time to setup? animations are similar in time to other debuff sets. You dont wait to set up and then pull to your traps do you?
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Originally Posted by Lhorn
I could never get use to the time it takes to setup an attack for traps or maybe my attack chain was off who knows.
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Your question is a bit vague.|
Originally Posted by Lhorn
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I think a defender def but not sure what to take besides /Sonic. |
If all you want is resist rebuff, it's likely traps, but traps kinda six to play, in my book.
If you instead mean "best all around" then it's REALLY hard to beat a cold/sonic.
You get potent single target rebuff, you get enough aoe rebuff to make a difference, you get cold shields, you get the crushing power of benumb and heat loss, etc, etc.
There is a reason why cold/sonics are so well-loved.
Because they get all that, and are fun to play.
My two cents.
Rad/Son, Cold/Son, and Trap/Son all fit the description.
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Sonic/sonic should really be the highest -res while leveling. If it isn't, then it could be argued that changes should be made to make sure it is. Both sets revolve around the manipulation of resistance - that's the main gimmick of the sets.
-30% from Siphon +
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-20% for every blast
Toss in Assault from leadership and that's another 18~% damage.
EDIT: oh, cold might be up there too, I forgot that Heat Loss stacks -res on top of sleet (shame on me, I have a 50 cold/ice def.)
Trick Arrow>Radiation though for -res.
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I'd vote for Traps/Son defender too. Cold/ is good but since HL is on a long recharge timer it sucks when the debuff portion misses. I wish there was a good visual indicator when the debuff portion hits a target besides the second HL buff on your bar.
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Oh, I can't wait to see the solid numbers. Having your own sonic disruption anchor is going to rock.
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I believe Sonic Siphon stacks add in Disruption Field and that's 67.5% -Resist with just SS stacking twice (mind you I don't recall if it stacked or not).|
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Oh, I can't wait to see the solid numbers. Having your own sonic disruption anchor is going to rock.
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Demons adding more -Resist with a -Resist Proc in Liquefy, and using the Whip attacks.
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I believe Sonic Siphon stacks add in Disruption Field and that's 67.5% -Resist with just SS stacking twice (mind you I don't recall if it stacked or not).
Demons adding more -Resist with a -Resist Proc in Liquefy, and using the Whip attacks. |
I don't believe Sonic Siphon stacks with itself.
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Yeah sadly none of sonics debuffs stack so at most you'll get -60% res without taking the achille's heel proc or the secondary into consideration.
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Originally Posted by Oedipus_Tex
I don't believe Sonic Siphon stacks with itself.
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your forgetting surveillance in there which i think is another -20% resist so could stack -60%, and i think venom grenade stacks so with enough rech you could stack the debuff on that
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Originally Posted by Adeon Hawkwood
One left field option to remember is the Arachnos Spider. If you take Mace Mastery you can stack Shatter Armor and Poison Grenade for -40% as well.
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Storm/Sonic defender
Achilles Heel in Freezing Rain and Tornado. Freezing Rain will stack twice easily (although there is a bug where sometimes its duration gets cut short, the bug is intermittent, but happens often enough to be a real dampener). The Heel proc will happen decently often in two powers.
Demon/Storm with the same Heel setup may be pretty close. Add in the Reactice Interface for more. I was able to keep a Pylons resistance level at -40 or better on mine (No Reactive, achilles heel only in tornado). I'd increase to -55 regularly and the max I observed was -82. I think with more practice I could do better and likely keep over -50. Since Pylons have a base resist of 20%, I was keeping a steady 75% resistance debuff, getting 94% regularly and spiked to 128%. I know the Storm/Sonic defender could do better.
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Strato what was your time on the pylon with your MM?
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Yeah, but that doesn't take into consideration the MM whip attacks and the Demons own attacks doing -Resist. So I'd think over 60% without taking thr -resist proc into consideration.
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Yeah sadly none of sonics debuffs stack so at most you'll get -60% res without taking the achille's heel proc or the secondary into consideration.
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I did not keep track. 3 minutesish? I know I had to click Hasten once, so it was longer than 2 minutes but less than 4.5 minutes. I fought 5 pylons in order to get enough runs to feel comfortable that those numbers were not just a fluke. The first one was still down when I finished testing. After the first Pylon I turned Assault off, trying to keep the rest of the pylons alive longer, but I still do not believe I had to hit Hasten more than once per Pylon. The Prince runs out of endurance at some point sadly, stupid Blood Mandate end reduction not working in Frozen Aura.|
Originally Posted by Lhorn
Strato what was your time on the pylon with your MM?
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Also, I ate blues and had a bubbler to keep me and my pets alive, so I wasn't doing any kind of Pylon challenge. A pylon will destroy me solo.
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Rad/Son, Cold/Son, and Trap/Son all fit the description.
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I think a defender def but not sure what to take besides /Sonic.