Endurance Modifications vs Endurance Reduction per power

Hi, I am a returning player after being disappointed by both Champions Online and DC Universe Online.

I am now picking up my mastermind again and apparently have all sorts of work to do to make him competitive again with new super purple enhancement sets and Incarnate Enhancements that weren't around when I left.

But this made me wonder.
Everyone seems to get a free Fitness power pool now.
What if I just slot fitness with 4 level 50 Endurance Modification IO's

It should give around 108% increase to the 25% endurance recovery from fitness, for a 50% increase over the base power regeneration.
Which should be enough to allow me to put down all my traps and then keep throwing Web grenades and Force Mastery Blasts every 2 seconds, without needing to slot endurance cost reduction enhancements into anything.

It would leave me on average 1 extra enhancement slot per power, which seems pretty useful.

So here's my question:
Does slotting fitness with 3 or 4 Endurance Modifications solve all endurance problems?

I can't speak for Masterminds as thats one set I'm not all that familiar with but with many of the other AT's three slotting stamina will not fix all possible endurance problems. It will certainly help but for most power sets it will not stop you having to keep an eye on your endurance. Oh and it is rarely worth while slotting anything with four slots of any one kind. With diminishing returns the fourth slot will get you one or two percent extra at best.

Also consider using the Performance Shifter: +End proc as your third slot in Stamina, it will on average give you more end/sec than a third slotted enhancement will.

As far as Incarnate Abilities go, if you're hard up for Endurance you'll definitely want to pursue the Cardiac Alpha tree.

The short answer is "no". It depends pretty heavily on your character, but most attack chains use upwards of 3 END/s and that slotting of Stamina gives you 2.53 END/s (2.78 with all the Accolade buffs). There are some Mastermind builds that have little trouble with END however. Bots/Traps isn't too bad. You can probably get away with 3-slotted Stamina, but you'd be much better off using some EndRed in your frequent use or high END use powers. I'd suggest looking into franken-slotting (that just means choosing IOs solely for their enhancement and ignoring set bonuses altogether) cheap set IOs if you don't want to worry about set bonuses. Especially on a Mastermind that can get lots of cheap Pet Set IOs.

On a side note: The 4th IO is largely wasted, as ED reduces it to 15% of its nominal value which yields 100 END/60 sec (base recovery) time 25% (Stamina's base value) times 42.4% (an L50 IO enhancement value) times 15% (all you get from that after ED) = 0.0265 END/s or just 1 additional END every 37.7s versus 3 slotting. 3 L50 IOs gives 2.50 END/s.

I should probably note that I am also maintaining 4 toggles of 0.32/s in order to reach roughly 40% defence on everything, and extra to hit and resitance.

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Originally Posted by Kosmos The short answer is "no". It depends pretty heavily on your character, but most attack chains use upwards of 3 END/s and that slotting of Stamina gives you 2.53 END/s (2.78 with all the Accolade buffs). There are some Mastermind builds that have little trouble with END however. Bots/Traps isn't too bad. You can probably get away with 3-slotted Stamina, but you'd be much better off using some EndRed in your frequent use or high END use powers. I'd suggest looking into franken-slotting (that just means choosing IOs solely for their enhancement and ignoring set bonuses altogether) cheap set IOs if you don't want to worry about set bonuses. Especially on a Mastermind that can get lots of cheap Pet Set IOs. On a side note: The 4th IO is largely wasted, as ED reduces it to 15% of its nominal value which yields 100 END/60 sec (base recovery) time 25% (Stamina's base value) times 42.4% (an L50 IO enhancement value) times 15% (all you get from that after ED) = 0.0265 END/s or just 1 additional END every 37.7s versus 3 slotting. 3 L50 IOs gives 2.50 END/s.

Thank you, I remembered that 3 slots of the same where about the most you'd want to put into anything. Though I figured 15% of the Endurance Mod IO over 25% would still amount to little more than 0.0265 END/s.
Should have done the math myself, but thank you for pointing it out to me.

I suppose I'll start with some Endmod IO in Stamina and look into getting a Performance Shifter: +End pro.
Then see what I need to put some endurance reduction in with some play testing.
Since my high endurance cost traps have recharges 20, 50 and 60 seconds, but web grenade and Photon Grenade I really need to spam so they overcome immobilise/stun protection.

Quick note, you can 4 slot stamina with 3 end mod io's and a perf shifter +end

This ED caps stamina but also adds the perf global +end proc bonus.
(And as it is a proc it is unaffected by ED so you still gain the additional end bonus.)

Actually if you plan on 4 slotting stamina your best course is to use 4 performance shifters: End Mod, End Mod/Acc, End Mod/Recharge & Chance for +End. This gives less in and of itself from the actual slots but confers a 2.5% Recovery Bonus from the set bonus (plus 5% travel speed & 22HP). Making it slightly more effective @50 than 3 End Mod & 1 Proc.

Checked in Mids but been running my characters like this since the advent of IOs

People have given lots of good slottings for Stamina. The big thing to remember is most of these IO sets you will be going for will have End Reduction built in. So in the end, your needs will be more than covered.

But you were interested in saving slots. With IO sets, the best way to save slots is by looking at 6th bonuses. If the 6th bonus for a set is something of marginal use, then 5 slot the power and use the slot elsewhere. Especially now that we have Alpha Incarnate Slots. If for example you picked Musculature, you could not slot a DMG/End IO from one of your sets, not get the 6th bonus, yet still have over 100% enhanced damage and have a slot to spend elsewhere.