Dev Chat Highlights, July 20: Paragon Rewards
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Adeon Hawkwood,
Posted on: 2011-07-20 11:31 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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New players and old veterans have to select all items from a certain tier in order to advance to the next tier. So they are in the same boat as you, they just get to choose their tier options in an order they like better. They don't get to skip a vet option if they don't like it, they just have the option to choose something else first. With the current vet rewards, I went an entire year without getting anything I was looking forward to; with the new vet tokens, I can choose to go "every other month is crappy" instead of "oooh shiny! now I wait a year............... ohhh shiny!"|
Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha
Well, if I have, for example only, all the past vet rewards auto-picked, and a choice of one new one (1 token) when this goes live.
Say there are three new things that I like the look of and am able to get. However, I can only get one. ALL my other points have been auto-applied. I would much rather NOT have the Greek Letters and Vanity pets (Never ever use them) and instead be able to pick the three things I would like. Now, I may be totally misunderstanding how the system works, which is more than likely given I can't get at the Ustream atm. However, if the above is true, whats the point in having 'Freedom' when all choice gets taken from you (as a vet making picks) |
Since you have enough vet tokens to fill out multiple vet tiers, the game will helpfully do this for you. If you have leftover tokens after completely filling a certain tier, not enough tokens to fill up the next tier, the game will not apply those for you; you get to choose the order of unlock within that tier.
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Originally Posted by Dispari
I don't know why Dink thinks she's not as sexy as Jay was. In 5 posts she's already upstaged his entire career.
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From what I understand, pre-existing Vet Rewards do not count against the Reward Tokens you get when this goes live. Yes, the past Rewards are filled in already, but you don't use up any Tokens on them. As for how many Tokens you'll get, Positron has given us a formula for those wanting to find out now:|
Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha
Well, if I have, for example only, all the past vet rewards auto-picked, and a choice of one new one (1 token) when this goes live.
Say there are three new things that I like the look of and am able to get. However, I can only get one. ALL my other points have been auto-applied. I would much rather NOT have the Greek Letters and Vanity pets (Never ever use them) and instead be able to pick the three things I would like. Now, I may be totally misunderstanding how the system works, which is more than likely given I can't get at the Ustream atm. However, if the above is true, whats the point in having 'Freedom' when all choice gets taken from you (as a vet making picks) |
(n/4)+((n/3)/4) = Reward Tokens
n = The Month number on the highest Vet badge you have when this goes live. Plus, you get an additional bonus token for each year of time subscribed to the game in top of that. So, for example, take a two-year Vet:
(24/4)+((24/3)/4) = 6 + 2 = 8, plus 2 extra from total subscription time makes 10 tokens to spend on new stuff, after keeping all the stuff you already got from the past two years.
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Aha, good to know.
Mind! At...waitforit, waitforit! EASE!
Now...
GIMME THOSE CELESTIAL ARMOUR PACKS! *drools*
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Originally Posted by Zwillinger
GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Photon
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I feel exactly the same about this. I'm waiting for more info, but as of right now I'm disappointed that my favorite aspect of the game--the costume creator--is receiving more time-gated content. My hope is that the costume sets available through the rewards program for free will also be available for direct purchase from the market.|
Originally Posted by Electric-Knight
However, I'm really disappointed that they're putting in new full sets of costumes farther out of reach for me.
I'm not flying off half-cocked or anything... I get it, I understand, it's just my personal opinion... and I am disappointed. |
Like you, I am also a bit disappointed that my nearly 2 years of continuous subscription is going to put me many months or several hundred dollars from being able to access the content I really want.
We'll just have to see how it works out.
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How many months veteran are you? You might be closer than you think due to incorrect math. (Keep in mind you get one token per month after Freedom.)
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Originally Posted by Electric-Knight
What makes it a little tougher is...
The amount of time I've been a subscriber is enough time under the new system to reach Tier 9. However, the transfer rate system they have (from the old system to the new) puts me around 1 year away from Tier 9. |
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Originally Posted by Dispari
I don't know why Dink thinks she's not as sexy as Jay was. In 5 posts she's already upstaged his entire career.
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I'm hoping we'll get an answer at some point as to weather it's better to claim them on characters, or not, or if it matters, I've never claimed one, always figured I would once I needed it.
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Originally Posted by Jagged
I wonder whether it is sensible to claim all your vet rewards or leave them unclaimed?
If I haven't claimed my free respecs on a character will that mean I have an unspent Vet Token to spend on something else? |
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How is it selling an "I Win" button? You can't buy XP like you can in other games, you can buy DOUBLE XP, but you still have to fight stuff, and run missions like everyone else, you'll just level faster. You can buy Insps which give you a boost, but are hardly an "I Win" button. The IO enhancers and Unslotters are more quality of life, and will only slightly improve the IOs in question (I would suspect to a limit of 50++ (52 or 53). Which is no different really than incarnate shifting your IOs. |
Originally Posted by Another_Fan
Sorry you don't get it. Its not the hats, the capes, etc its out and out selling I win buttons for the competitive parts of the game.
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I'm confused, but then again some people explode if anyone sells anything beyond superflous fluff in their online store. If you wanna see "pay to win" check out...well I can't mention other games, but rest assured other "F2P" offerings are a lot worse.
"Superman died fighting Doomsday because he allowed his toggles to drop, and didn't beat Doomsday before Unstoppable wore off, sad really..."
I'll have 57 months in three days (the 24th of July)
So...how far in am I then? 
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Originally Posted by Zwillinger
GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Photon
NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.
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Nah, I don't think so.|
Originally Posted by Aggelakis
How many months veteran are you? You might be closer than you think due to incorrect math. (Keep in mind you get one token per month after Freedom.)
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I'm at 43 months right now.
I suppose I'll get over it, but it somehow really annoyed me to learn that there'd be new costume pieces locked away form me, hehe.
(I'm not over it yet!!
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@Zethustra
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and round up everyone that knows more than they do"-Dylan
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No one skips anything, new or vet. The "new" people or lower-tier vets simply get to choose the ORDER more within the tiers than the higher guys do, but still have to take it all, and the tier has to be filled out before gaining access to the new one. The "lower" you are on the vet totem pole, the more you'd get to pick the order within your tiers, but the higher you are, the more stuff you already have, and that'll be "re-picked" for you under the new system, so you'll have less order to pick, but you'll already have it. That's what most everyone else is saying.|
Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha
So, wait...New comers get to pick and mix what they get but...veterans DON'T?
That seems...stupid? Very? What happened to that 'Caring most about our vets' spiel? I can instantly think of stuff I'd skip out on (Vanity pets and Greek letters) for something I actually USE. |
No one can skip anything, it's all about what order (within the tiers) you take what.
"Superman died fighting Doomsday because he allowed his toggles to drop, and didn't beat Doomsday before Unstoppable wore off, sad really..."
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2 years of subbing means you are currently over 5 years away from accruing all the Vet Rewards that currently exist. And if that system continued, you will always be 5 years behind.|
Originally Posted by Moly
I feel exactly the same about this. I'm waiting for more info, but as of right now I'm disappointed that my favorite aspect of the game--the costume creator--is receiving more time-gated content. My hope is that the costume sets available through the rewards program for free will also be available for direct purchase from the market.
Like you, I am also a bit disappointed that my nearly 2 years of continuous subscription is going to put me many months or several hundred dollars from being able to access the content I really want. We'll just have to see how it works out. |
In the new system, you will start with 10 Tokens. That puts in into Tier 5. In less than 2 years, you will max out Tier 8 and any future Tokens will be spent on Tier 9 consummables or Tier 9 VIPs.
If you chose, for every $15 you spend for the Paragon *Points* (1,200 worth) to buy all those other goodies locked up there, you get a Token, reducing the time of maxing out the Reward tree a month earlier.
Or you can wait the two years and with the free 400 month of Points you get, buy the extra goodies.
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Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha
I'll have 57 months in three days (the 24th of July)
So...how far in am I then? |
Hmm... quick math in me head say that'd give you 24 Reward Tokens.
Each slot along the tier takes one token. I don't have the image opened up right now to tell you where that puts you... I think in Tier 7 or 8 (off the top of my highly occupied memory processor).
@Zethustra
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and round up everyone that knows more than they do"-Dylan
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You are incorrect in your understanding.|
Originally Posted by El__D
From what I understand, pre-existing Vet Rewards do not count against the Reward Tokens you get when this goes live. Yes, the past Rewards are filled in already, but you don't use up any Tokens on them.
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Originally Posted by El__D
As for how many Tokens you'll get, Positron has given us a formula for those wanting to find out now:
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Originally Posted by El__D
tokens to spend on new stuff, after keeping all the stuff you already got from the past two years.
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A new subscriber with issue 21 will see something like this:
See all the empty slots? Good.
A current subscriber (42 Months), at the time freedom has launched, will see something like this:
A 84 month subscriber, either 3 months into Freedom or with the purchase of 3,600 Paragon Points (or some combination of the two) will see this:
What are in those slots? Something like this:
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(57/4)+((57/3)/4) = 19 tokens. You'll be at tier 5 with 6/7 leftover tokens for tier 6. The month after Freedom goes live, you'll get another token, completing tier 6 and opening tier 7. The month after that, you'll get another token to place in tier 7. It'll take you 19 months to fully fill up tier 9. Instead of 27 in the current scheme to match.
EDIT: MY MATH IS WRONG IN HERE. Positron's formula as posted does not include the yearly tokens, so add four to that for 23, which takes you higher and reduces the time requirements even further.
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Originally Posted by Dispari
I don't know why Dink thinks she's not as sexy as Jay was. In 5 posts she's already upstaged his entire career.
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Not arguing, as what you say is entirely correct.|
Originally Posted by Zombie Man
2 years of subbing means you are currently over 5 years away from accruing all the Vet Rewards that currently exist. And if that system continued, you will always be 5 years behind.
In the new system, you will start with 10 Tokens. That puts in into Tier 5. In less than 2 years, you will max out Tier 8 and any future Tokens will be spent on Tier 9 consummables or Tier 9 VIPs. If you chose, for every $15 you spend for the Paragon *Points* (1,200 worth) to buy all those other goodies locked up there, you get a Token, reducing the time of maxing out the Reward tree a month earlier. Or you can wait the two years and with the free 400 month of Points you get, buy the extra goodies. |
I think the issue is just that the idea of new full costume sets and wings and auras being buried further along the veteran reward system seems harsh (to some).
Indeed, the rewards come quicker and stopping the tiers at 9 allows everyone to get caught up, in a way... But they also went and put new stuff in there that is far more desirable (to some of us) than what was ahead beforehand.
C'est la vie.
@Zethustra
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and round up everyone that knows more than they do"-Dylan
and round up everyone that knows more than they do"-Dylan
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If Freedom launched August 1st, you would have 23 Reward Tokens. (19 Vet Badges + 4 Years). You would be in tier 7.|
Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha
I'll have 57 months in three days (the 24th of July)
So...how far in am I then? |
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Originally Posted by Electric-Knight
Nah, I don't think so.
I'm at 43 months right now. |
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I would speculate that it has to do with server resources. The Huge Avatars likely take up more resources than the regular ones, the same way the "pet using" ATs (Masterminds and Controllers do) which is likely why all of those things are initially locked for Free Players for a time. Until they show a level of "commitment" to the game (by buying stuff, by playing for a time) they don't get access to things that are harder on the hardware.
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Originally Posted by concreteshift
Ahh got it. Thank you everyone. It never entered my head that the Devs could bifurcate the different character models to make one for pay and one for free. That's pretty mind-blowing for some reason to me because I thought all the models would be included in the character creation.
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"Superman died fighting Doomsday because he allowed his toggles to drop, and didn't beat Doomsday before Unstoppable wore off, sad really..."
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Well, using the formula...|
Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha
I'll have 57 months in three days (the 24th of July)
So...how far in am I then? |
(57/4) + ((57/3)/4) = 14.25 + 4.75 = 19 + 4 (yearly) makes 23 Tokens
So, at 57 months, you'd be in Tier 7.
Edit: Apparently I misread some things x.x Apologies for the misinformation, Techbot, and thanks for the clarifications, Snow!
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Hmn...holding of Joy or Raaaaage until later clarification of what comes where and does what 
Rest assured, I really, REALLY want those new armours, weapons and wings. I will kill for them, too. Be warned >_>
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Originally Posted by Zwillinger
GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Photon
NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.
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43 months, if FREEDOM went Live today = 17 Tokens. That's 4 out of 7 Rewards in Tier 6. In 15 months you will max out Tier 8 and start in on the Tier 9 consumables or VIPs.|
Originally Posted by Electric-Knight
Nah, I don't think so.
I'm at 43 months right now. I suppose I'll get over it, but it somehow really annoyed me to learn that there'd be new costume pieces locked away form me, hehe. (I'm not over it yet!! ) |
Without the new system, you still have 44 months to get all the Rewards that are currently in the pipeline.
The new system gives it to you 29 months earlier.
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Is Positron's formula wrong then? Because Positron's formula gives 19 tokens.|
Originally Posted by Snow Globe
If Freedom launched August 1st, you would have 23 Reward Tokens. (19 Vet Badges + 4 Years). You would be in tier 7.
If Freedom launched August 1st, you would have 17 Reward Tokens. (14 Vet Badges + 3 Years). You would be in tier 6. |
(57/4)+((57/3)/4) = 19 tokens.
14.25 + (19/4)
14.25 + 4.75 = 19.
EDIT::: Ahhhhh haaaaaaa Positron's formula doesn't include the yearly tokens.
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Originally Posted by Dispari
I don't know why Dink thinks she's not as sexy as Jay was. In 5 posts she's already upstaged his entire career.
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Are you SURE you're a year away? Remember you'll gain tokens every MONTH not every THREE.
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Originally Posted by Electric-Knight
My $15 was for allowing me to post on these forums.
Which gives me the divine right to announce my personal opinion as a matter of utmost importance as though this stage were all mine... I honestly just find it deflating that new spangled fancy full costume sets (and wings and weapons and auras!!) are being put into the game now... But I'll have to wait over a year before I can use them. It just rubs me the wrong way. Oh well! |
"Superman died fighting Doomsday because he allowed his toggles to drop, and didn't beat Doomsday before Unstoppable wore off, sad really..."
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I understand the mechanics of it, but both of those options are completely unsatisfying. Two years or somewhere between $300 and $350. There is nothing good that can be said about that, really. I'll just continue to hope that the costume pieces will make it into the market and re-evaluate the situation after I've had to a chance to actually see it.
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Originally Posted by Zombie Man
If you chose, for every $15 you spend for the Paragon *Points* (1,200 worth) to buy all those other goodies locked up there, you get a Token, reducing the time of maxing out the Reward tree a month earlier.
Or you can wait the two years and with the free 400 month of Points you get, buy the extra goodies. |
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You are incorrect, they will be auto-deducted from the stuff filled in already, otherwise 84 month vets will have 20-30 some tokens to overload on consumables with.
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Originally Posted by El__D
From what I understand, pre-existing Vet Rewards do not count against the Reward Tokens you get when this goes live
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"Superman died fighting Doomsday because he allowed his toggles to drop, and didn't beat Doomsday before Unstoppable wore off, sad really..."
My $15 was for allowing me to post on these forums.
Which gives me the divine right to announce my personal opinion as a matter of utmost importance as though this stage were all mine...
I understand the new system and, on some ways, it is cooler than what we had before.
However, I'm really disappointed that they're putting in new full sets of costumes farther out of reach for me.
I'm not flying off half-cocked or anything... I get it, I understand, it's just my personal opinion... and I am disappointed.
What makes it a little tougher is...
The amount of time I've been a subscriber is enough time under the new system to reach Tier 9.
However, the transfer rate system they have (from the old system to the new) puts me around 1 year away from Tier 9.
I liked how the later Vet Rewards were a little understated. The samurai armor, the tech sleek armor and the boxing stuff were a little far into the system, but... after that... it was more things of convenience for the great long-lasting subscribers. Sure, they added in the Arachnos Helmets, but that was cool because they were part of the CoV pre-purchase and special items that could have been acquired elsewise. A nice touch, in my opinion.
However... If they didn't switch to this new system, would you think they'd add new sets of costumes as new vet rewards? (I know they could. They can do any bloody thing they please, haha)
I honestly just find it deflating that new spangled fancy full costume sets (and wings and weapons and auras!!) are being put into the game now... But I'll have to wait over a year before I can use them.
It just rubs me the wrong way.
Oh well!
*bows before exiting stage left*
and round up everyone that knows more than they do"-Dylan