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Could have fooled me.|
Originally Posted by Ghost_Ripper
I am not tyring to come off smug
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Also, get moar recharge.
Mains (Freedom) @Auroxis
Auroxis - Emp/Rad/Power Defender Pylon Video Soloing an AV
Pelvic Thunder - SS/Elec/Mu Brute
Sorajin - Elec/Nin Stalker
Neuropain - Sonic/Mental/Elec Blaster
You need moar recharge.
Here's a better farming build, perhaps near the most optimal. It has over 60% more recharge. And no I don't have this slotted so I'm not posting any times.
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Don't have mids here but it looks like you have a ton of S/L defense for fire farms? How come?
edit: I run my farms with an SO'd claws/FA brute so I am not the king but it's good enough for me when I chew candies.
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Originally Posted by Fiery-Enforcer
You need moar recharge.
Here's a better farming build, perhaps near the most optimal. It has over 60% more recharge. And no I don't have this slotted so I'm not posting any times. |
Ok....
I turned on spiritual and accolades, tossed in reactive, assumed the +rech was perma in a farming situation.
+311 rech
Footstomp recharges in 4 seconds, burn in 5, ball lightning in 6.4, fences in 4.14. You literally can't fire them all.
Yes, it has to eat candy like mad, but holy MOLY.
I think..... You win.
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This. Why smashing/lethal defense for a fire farm?
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Originally Posted by Emberly
Don't have mids here but it looks like you have a ton of S/L defense for fire farms? How come?
edit: I run my farms with an SO'd claws/FA brute so I am not the king but it's good enough for me when I chew candies. |
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Aw damn you failed right in the beginning of the post |
Originally Posted by Ghost_Ripper
This is a SS/FA/MU build that is destroying the FAMRING Business. Take a look, and if you think your build is better post it with times finishing the top 3 Farms. Cyborg and...
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Not sure where the fail was, but w/e. Anyhow, I guess no one has built a better SS/FA farmer. The reason for the S/L def. is for iTrials and TF/SF's that I want to do w/this character as well, not just farming. |
Originally Posted by Kioshi
Aw damn you failed right in the beginning of the post
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*Side note, Fire has smashing component.*
If someone has a great farming build post it with times you have finished the top 3 farms. My build does suck a lot of end though, so I think I need to fix that. Any suggestions?
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Did you even look at the build I posted? Because it is better.
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Originally Posted by Ghost_Ripper
Anyhow, I guess no one has built a better SS/FA farmer.
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It would also be nice if you'd post your personal best times on the toon before hand.
Maestro Mavius - Infinity
Capt. Biohazrd - PCSAR
Talsor Tech - Talsorian Guard
Keep Calm & Chive On!
nope fire/psychic blaster best ever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What matters the most is that you enjoy that build and that it works for you. But to be honest, there is nothing particularly novel, or remotely optimized, about that build. It is SS/Fire and runs Fire Farms, that's about it. Recharge is below mediocre, accuracy is poor, SM/L defense is a wasted attribute.
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I did look at yours, and it doesn't seem better to me, I could be missing something but all you have is more recharge, which I can get with spiritual. How does that toon fair vs other Non-Fire content? I guess I was thinking farming more than juat fire farms...I was thinking like BM farm Demon farm (which is still fire, I know) T.V farm...Dreck farm that's not Dreck. How would y'alls toons face those Farms?
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Originally Posted by Fiery-Enforcer
Did you even look at the build I posted? Because it is better.
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Oh so ppl can say I've beaten that. I'd like to see times people put up, with out divulging my times. If mine is worse I'll gladly say so, I'm not a braggart and I'm not looking to be the best I'm simply looking for the best. If mine happends to be that right now, then so be it. If not, then I can change my build and be even faster, more efficent, and have more fun.
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Originally Posted by MaestroMavius
It would also be nice if you'd post your personal best times on the toon before hand.
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Wow, no love the s/l def. Everyone, that has said something about the s/l, I want you to go and farm a non Fire map and see how far you get. Heck, go on an itrial and fight on your own w/out the support of a team. Solo an ITF..see how far you can get. I doubt very far. My recharge is fine, especially when FS activates the +recharge. The only real problem I was having was end. Solved that with Cardiac and boosted my Resistance to boot. |
Originally Posted by JuliusSeizure
What matters the most is that you enjoy that build and that it works for you. But to be honest, there is nothing particularly novel, or remotely optimized, about that build. It is SS/Fire and runs Fire Farms, that's about it. Recharge is below mediocre, accuracy is poor, SM/L defense is a wasted attribute.
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Now, on the real fourmites, if you are going to critique a build and not throw one up that you think is better, then you have no proof or solid ground to stand on, you can't prove that my build is under par, until you blow my time out of the water. Oh ...what, you have no times? Hmm...well what can you use for proof? Take you at your word? Show me the Numbers! (and Builds)
Special thanks to the one guy (Firery-Enforcer, I'm looking at you) who did put up his version of what he thought was better. No times, but he doesn't actually have a build slotted that way. So, whatever that's worth. But hey he did half of what I asked for. So, Kudos to you Sir.
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Could you show me something Novel on a build? Or how about Optimized? I'd say my build is optimally built for defense. It's Novel in the fact that it can do more and survive more than just a Fire Farm. TF/SF's, iTrials, and old fashion mission farms...i.e. (T.V., Demon, BM, Dreck -Dreck)
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Originally Posted by JuliusSeizure
What matters the most is that you enjoy that build and that it works for you. But to be honest, there is nothing particularly novel, or remotely optimized, about that build. It is SS/Fire and runs Fire Farms, that's about it. Recharge is below mediocre, accuracy is poor, SM/L defense is a wasted attribute.
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Early predictions that this thread goes the distance. 
You can't be the "best farmer evah" if you can't post top numbers for the most efficient farming maps. Sorry.
Mains (Freedom) @Auroxis
Auroxis - Emp/Rad/Power Defender Pylon Video Soloing an AV
Pelvic Thunder - SS/Elec/Mu Brute
Sorajin - Elec/Nin Stalker
Neuropain - Sonic/Mental/Elec Blaster
Get the Tier 4 Ageless Core Epiphany (+End, +Recovery, +Recharge Rate). It lasts for 120 seconds and you can recast it as soon at its over. This should solve endurance problems so you can get the spiritual alpha for more recharge. If you really want to have the best farming build, you should have 2 builds on your brute, one for farming, the other for TFs, trials, etc.
3 minute FRONTLOAD 482818 map (54/8 with bosses):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DczBecNZJRc
5 minute creys cyborg 472577
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wYZSmyrjSQ
I actually waste 30 seconds just running in and destroying the 2 objects so if you want to count from my first AOE attack its like 4:30 :P
Soft capped fire defense with vengeance, and since I'm always farming lowbies, it's always up. With no need to use purples or blues, I can take a full tray of reds and stay between 400-500%+ damage the entire farm. Recharge is at 202% before the FF proc in footstomp. Near gapless AoE chain of BL-FS-Burn-Fences. I don't have time to use any ST attacks. I just slotted Ragnarok in BL so I'm not sure what to do with that extra recharge IO yet, maybe acc or end.
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Originally Posted by MayorOfAngrytown
Early predictions that this thread goes the distance.
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Originally Posted by Dacu
Get the Tier 4 Ageless Core Epiphany (+End, +Recovery, +Recharge Rate). It lasts for 120 seconds and you can recast it as soon at its over. This should solve endurance problems so you can get the spiritual alpha for more recharge. If you really want to have the best farming build, you should have 2 builds on your brute, one for farming, the other for TFs, trials, etc.
3 minute FRONTLOAD 482818 map (54/8 with bosses): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DczBecNZJRc 5 minute creys cyborg 472577 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wYZSmyrjSQ I actually waste 30 seconds just running in and destroying the 2 objects so if you want to count from my first AOE attack its like 4:30 :P Soft capped fire defense with vengeance, and since I'm always farming lowbies, it's always up. With no need to use purples or blues, so I can take a full tray of reds and stay between 400-500%+ damage the entire farm. Recharge is at 202% before the FF proc in footstomp. Near gapless AoE chain of BL-FS-Burn-Fences. I don't have time to use any ST attacks. Code:
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If your toon is optimized to solo an ITF, then it isn't optimized to run a fire farm. I'm not saying you can't do both well, it's just that a character built with a fire farm in mind will farm it faster and more safely than one that isn't. A jack of all trades build is fine, and I totally understand the merit of wanting to do it all with one character. That's where multiple builds come into play IMO. I don't have such devotion to any one of my characters, so I don't mind having toons that are built for different things.
For farming a fire map, I would not use that build you posted. For regular content, it's a pretty normal setup. I would probably change a couple things around, but then again I'm not a huge fan of FA for normal content. Mine is strictly farming only.
Top Three farms in what regards? Top Three AE farms? Top Three mission farms? Top Three Fire farms? Quite a broad statement, hence why you've gotten a broad response. You claim you're not being smug, but almost every response you've made says otherwise.
I believe there was a Fire/Kin 'troller who made the same claim a year or so ago, and even made a similar thread. When all was said and done, there really is no end all be all answer. It is not just the build that matters, it is the player, any lag time from connection, exc.....
Don't I know you???
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Ok, thanks so much for the intelligent and mature reply. I get it now, my build isn't optimal for Farming. I realize that haveing Dual and now even Tri builds would be more advantageous. The caveat there is, who the heck wants to poor that much infl into one character? I mean specing him out for once is fine...thinking my current build was around a bil. As I did have some things from drops and didn't have to buy to many pricey things. I couldn't fathom building on slot powers (2) with even half that. So, I guess I was trying to be greedy and get both done for one proce |
Originally Posted by SevereCalamity
Agreed.
This build is actually quite similar to my own in terms of the goals. I have a little less recharge, but the AoE chain, fire defense, and ageless destiny for infinite endurance is ridiculous for farming. You spend so much time attacking and take so little damage, you don't even need to use single target attacks or even heal really. Just load up on reds and go to town. If your toon is optimized to solo an ITF, then it isn't optimized to run a fire farm. I'm not saying you can't do both well, it's just that a character built with a fire farm in mind will farm it faster and more safely than one that isn't. A jack of all trades build is fine, and I totally understand the merit of wanting to do it all with one character. That's where multiple builds come into play IMO. I don't have such devotion to any one of my characters, so I don't mind having toons that are built for different things. For farming a fire map, I would not use that build you posted. For regular content, it's a pretty normal setup. I would probably change a couple things around, but then again I'm not a huge fan of FA for normal content. Mine is strictly farming only. |
Again, I really appreciate the positive criticisim and not a flat out flame.
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It's an SS/FA Brute, pretty much the most overpowered combination in the game if you put your time/inf into it.
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Originally Posted by Ghost_Ripper
Ok, thanks so much for the intelligent and mature reply. I get it now, my build isn't optimal for Farming. I realize that haveing Dual and now even Tri builds would be more advantageous. The caveat there is, who the heck wants to poor that much infl into one character?
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Mains (Freedom) @Auroxis
Auroxis - Emp/Rad/Power Defender Pylon Video Soloing an AV
Pelvic Thunder - SS/Elec/Mu Brute
Sorajin - Elec/Nin Stalker
Neuropain - Sonic/Mental/Elec Blaster
I hereby dub thee "Smuggiest King of SS/FA/Mu Build Fail of all tyme". CG.
When there is no room left in Hell, the Dead shall walk the earth.
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No, FireKin Master's F/K build was awful. absolutely horrendously bad.
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Originally Posted by dougnukem
Top Three farms in what regards? Top Three AE farms? Top Three mission farms? Top Three Fire farms? Quite a broad statement, hence why you've gotten a broad response. You claim you're not being smug, but almost every response you've made says otherwise.
I believe there was a Fire/Kin 'troller who made the same claim a year or so ago, and even made a similar thread. When all was said and done, there really is no end all be all answer. It is not just the build that matters, it is the player, any lag time from connection, exc..... |
This is a SS/FA/MU build that is destroying the FAMRING Business. Take a look, and if you think your build is better post it with times finishing the top 3 Farms. Cyborg and the other 2 that escape my memory at present. This is for me to test my build against speed vs speed. Friendly replies please, I am not tyring to come off smug, I just think this is close to an Uber build as you can get; however, I have been wrong before
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Level 50 Magic Brute
Primary Power Set: Super Strength
Secondary Power Set: Fiery Aura
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Fighting
Power Pool: Leadership
Ancillary Pool: Mu Mastery
Villain Profile:
Level 1: Punch -- KntkC'bat-Acc/Dmg(A), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx(39), KntkC'bat-Dmg/Rchg(43), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(46)
Level 1: Fire Shield -- RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx(A), RctvArm-ResDam(15), RctvArm-EndRdx(15), RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(40)
Level 2: Haymaker -- Hectmb-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(A), Hectmb-Dmg/Rchg(3), Hectmb-Acc/Rchg(3), Hectmb-Dmg/EndRdx(13), Hectmb-Dam%(40)
Level 4: Healing Flames -- Dct'dW-Heal/EndRdx/Rchg(A), Dct'dW-EndRdx/Rchg(5), Dct'dW-Heal/Rchg(5), Dct'dW-Heal(11), Dct'dW-Rchg(13)
Level 6: Hasten -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(7), RechRdx-I(7)
Level 8: Knockout Blow -- KntkC'bat-Acc/Dmg(A), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx(9), KntkC'bat-Dmg/Rchg(9), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(11), G'Wdw-Dam%(50)
Level 10: Combat Jumping -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), Winter-ResSlow(39), Krma-ResKB(48)
Level 12: Boxing -- Empty(A)
Level 14: Temperature Protection -- S'fstPrt-ResDam/Def+(A), GA-3defTpProc(48)
Level 16: Plasma Shield -- RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx(A), RctvArm-ResDam(17), RctvArm-EndRdx(17), RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(40)
Level 18: Rage -- GSFC-Build%(A), Rec'dRet-ToHit/Rchg(19), Rec'dRet-ToHit(19), GSFC-ToHit/Rchg(50)
Level 20: Consume -- Mocking-Rchg(A), Mocking-Taunt/Rchg(21), Mocking-Taunt(21), Mocking-Taunt/Rchg/Rng(36), Mocking-Acc/Rchg(37), Mocking-Taunt/Rng(37)
Level 22: Blazing Aura -- Erad-Dmg(A), Erad-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(23), Erad-Dmg/Rchg(23), Sciroc-Dmg/EndRdx(25)
Level 24: Tough -- RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx(A), RctvArm-ResDam(25), RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(37), RctvArm-EndRdx(39)
Level 26: Weave -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(27), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(27)
Level 28: Burn -- Erad-Dmg(A), Erad-Dmg/Rchg(29), Erad-%Dam(29), C'ngBlow-Acc/Dmg(31), C'ngBlow-Dmg/EndRdx(34), C'ngBlow-Acc/Rchg(36)
Level 30: Maneuvers -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(31), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(31)
Level 32: Foot Stomp -- Armgdn-Dmg/EndRdx(A), Armgdn-Dmg/Rchg(33), Armgdn-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(33), Armgdn-Acc/Rchg(33), Armgdn-Dam%(34), FrcFbk-Rechg%(34)
Level 35: Fiery Embrace -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(36)
Level 38: Tactics -- Rec'dRet-ToHit(A), Rec'dRet-Pcptn(48)
Level 41: Electrifying Fences -- Posi-Acc/Dmg(A), Posi-Dmg/EndRdx(42), Posi-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(42), Posi-Dmg/Rng(42), Posi-Dam%(43)
Level 44: Ball Lightning -- Ragnrk-Dmg(A), Ragnrk-Dmg/Rchg(45), Ragnrk-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(45), Ragnrk-Acc/Rchg(45), Ragnrk-Dmg/EndRdx(46)
Level 47: Static Discharge -- JavVoll-Acc/Dmg/End/Rech(A)
Level 49: Vengeance -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A)
Level 50: Cardiac Core Paragon
Level 0: Marshal
Level 0: High Pain Threshold
Level 0: Invader
Level 0: Born In Battle
Level 50: Reactive Radial Interface
Level 50: Void Radial Judgement
Level 50: Barrier Core Epiphany
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Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Fury
Level 1: Sprint -- Clrty-Stlth(A)
Level 2: Rest -- RechRdx-I(A)
Level 4: Ninja Run
Level 2: Swift -- Run-I(A)
Level 2: Health -- Mrcl-Heal(A), Numna-Regen/Rcvry+(46), Mrcl-Rcvry+(50)
Level 2: Hurdle -- Jump-I(A)
Level 2: Stamina -- P'Shift-End%(A), P'Shift-EndMod(43)