Let's speculate!


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The negativity about what Dominators aren't getting in this round of proliferation is getting tiresome now. So instead, let's speculate about what the "exciting" things heading for Dominators after i21 could be!

Primary Sets:

Dark Control - would also be going to Controllers unless it functions similar to Illusion Control, which I feel would be a disservice to Controllers because they would be the only AT not to get something negative themed. It would also mean holding out on Dark Miasma pointless. This is probably the most likely.

Illusion Control - this could be a major revamp to make it fit in more with Dominators, or more likely they are saving it for a later proliferation just because it'll be something to add when there's little else.

A technological or natural control - although being requested quite often it's probably not likely to happen any time soon.

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Secondary Sets:

Dark Assault - if Dark Control comes then it's very likely that this will come with it.

Guns/Weapons/Martial Arts/etc - Most likely to be low hanging fruit with all the powers available already. These kind of sets wouldn't really need a themed control set to go with them so they could be added at any time. It's possible that they may be waiting for alternate dual pistols animations first before going for a gun-fu style set. A purely Assault Rifle set would most likely need some new powers, particularly melee ones.

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Other:

Stone Mastery - I think everyone has forgotten about this. It's the only ancillary that wasn't proliferated because there weren't enough pre-existing powers to fill it out with. As the powers would most likely be buffs, debuffs and an AoE blast it could also pave the way for earth-based Blast and Buff/Debuff sets.

Any other ancillaries (e.g. Body, Weapons and Munitions) - will only come if all the other ATs gain ancillaries too. I like to think that ancillary proliferation will happen at some point, just not yet.

Changes to the AT itself - Synapse has confirmed that this won't be happening. I am happy about this.

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So these are the things that I personally feel are the most likely; either because they're major omissions or heavily requested.

So what does everyone else think or hope for?


 

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Temporal Control. It could be the exciting thing we have to wait for since they'd likely want to reuse some of the assets from Time Manipulation so would have to wait for those to be finalised.

I expect it'll be Dark Control/Assault though which I'd be happy with too


 

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Just about any new power set for DOMs will make me happy.
I loooves them!


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Personally I don't think Illusion would make a good dominator primary. It just doesn't make any sense when your secondary is all about damage. It works far better for controllers with a buff/debuff secondary.

re: stone mastery, I wouldn't mind getting that version of fissure on my earth assault dom. Why the ancillery power is better than a secondary power is beyond me. I gues the recharge is 20 instead of 16, but gimme that 15 foot radius anyday.


 

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Originally Posted by Nuclea View Post
Temporal Control. It could be the exciting thing we have to wait for since they'd likely want to reuse some of the assets from Time Manipulation so would have to wait for those to be finalised.
Um, you do realize that such a control set is just asking for multiple versions of Intangible control powers?


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I like to see a tech/gadget control for doms. Some thing like a web grenade, mass web grenade, Flash grenade, that sort of stuff. I think it would be pretty cool


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I think we may get:

1. Whip Control: They already did 3 new animations for MM so naturally they can finish off this Assault set. This is the most likely new set IMO.

2. Crowd Contro/Riot Control: The first non-elemental control set. I just hope all the controls are not tied to a "rifle" because I would hate to keep drawing out a gadget to shoot grenades or taser. I don't think Dom is getting Illusion because if they take out the "useful" pets (due to too powerful) then it's not really the kind of Illusion Control we want.


However, Whip can also be used as a "control device". Maybe we'll see Whip/Whip. :P


What's left is to normalize all Assassin Strikes and improve Stalker's old sets (Claw, MA and EM)! You don't need to bring back the missing PbAoE attack. You just need to make the existing ones better! For example, make Slice a WIDER and LONGER cone.

 

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Originally Posted by Jibikao View Post
I think we may get:

1. Whip Control: They already did 3 new animations for MM so naturally they can finish off this Assault set. This is the most likely new set IMO.
However, Whip can also be used as a "control device". Maybe we'll see Whip/Whip. :P
Here is the funny thing: In every picture where we see someone using a whip, there is a demon around...in this pic
http://www.cityofheroes.com/images/i...n_seers_02.jpg

we do not see a demon ANYWHERE! We just see someone using a whip...let's hope?!


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no speculation is necessary.

http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showp...&postcount=213

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So in the end, it's not designing one powerset. It's designing 3 different powersets:

Dark Control/Dark Miasma for Controllers
Dark Control/Dark Assault for Dominators
Dark Blast/Dark Manipulation for Blasters
With Dark Blast / Dark Manip finalized for Blasters that means that Sunstorm / Synapse have also finalized Dark Control / Dark Assault.

The no new animations / artwork requirement for this round of proliferation means that Dark Control / Dark Assault have completely new powers that require new animations.

Ergo, until art and animation assets are available to actually make these animations, these power-sets cannot be released.


 

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I'd hardly call a post from 2009 anything, but concrete.


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I remember us suggesting some Stone Mastery possiblities during the GR beta, using already available powers only recolored to match Earth abilities.

As for speculation on the new and exciting Dom things...

Dark Control/Dark Assault sounds good. However, as I think Dark Controll will be a paid for power set, I would think that means it'll be available to Controllers too...so would that cound as exciting things coming for Dominators?


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Originally Posted by Fiery-Enforcer View Post
I'd hardly call a post from 2009 anything, but concrete.
That doesn't resemble concrete at all.

(Personally, I'm thinking/hoping dark/dark.)


 

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Originally Posted by Shadow Wail View Post
Here is the funny thing: In every picture where we see someone using a whip, there is a demon around...in this pic
http://www.cityofheroes.com/images/i...n_seers_02.jpg

we do not see a demon ANYWHERE! We just see someone using a whip...let's hope?!
That's fire sword coloured pinkypurple and viewed on edge.


 

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Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill View Post
That doesn't resemble concrete at all.

(Personally, I'm thinking/hoping dark/dark.)
Yeah, that was bad wording. Meant to say it wasn't concrete.


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Since controllers have every control primary and +1 (illusion), I would think the devs would give doms a +1 that controllers do not get. It will be focused around domination I'm sure. The easy route here is dark.. but that's kind of plain. Maybe we will we a brand new control set? I'm sure they could rehash a few things from Time Manipulation into a Time Control set.


 

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I need to see what's in Time Manipulation first to see if Time Control is good.

Time Control sounds pretty good though. "Time" doesn't seem "elemental".

I don't think the dev would just create a control set specifically for Dominator. That sounds counter-productive. If they create a new one, they create for both. Dominator does get unique Assault set.


What's left is to normalize all Assassin Strikes and improve Stalker's old sets (Claw, MA and EM)! You don't need to bring back the missing PbAoE attack. You just need to make the existing ones better! For example, make Slice a WIDER and LONGER cone.

 

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I could see a re-tweaked version of Trick Arrows as a "Natural/weapons" dom set. It already has an immob, a hold, an AoE hold, a patch knockdown, a blind... Man, it would take next to no effort to turn it into an actual control set.

Of course, it would beg an Assault version of Archery (with a melee "I poke you with my arrow !" attack? Oooh, and a PBAoE "I threw my quiver in the air and the arrows are raining on my head but only hitting my enemies"!) to settle the redraw issue.


 

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One possibility would be an Illusion set with two new powers for Doms; you could remove Group Invisibility as redundant, and Spectral Wounds because Doms already have a secondary full of attacks.

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Originally Posted by Jibikao View Post
I think we may get:

1. Whip Control: They already did 3 new animations for MM so naturally they can finish off this Assault set. This is the most likely new set IMO.
Four; don't forget the Hell on Earth animation where you wrap the whip around a demon. That animation could be repurposed into an attack. Add the standard Assault set self buff power, and that's 5 out of 9 powers.


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Trick Arrow - it is very controllery already, swap out the debuffs for the added AoE controls a control set needs.

Archery Assault - would need some work for melee attacks.

Radiation Control and Radiation Assault

Wind Control (or maybe Storm)

Water Control (might be too much crossover with Ice or Storm though)


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Originally Posted by Emberly View Post
That's fire sword coloured pinkypurple and viewed on edge.
Huh! Not that I thought it was any indication of anything special coming along, or any such thing, I honestly thought that was a whip as well! Good call!

So.. it's confirmed... Fire Sword Powerset for Doms... What?!?
Haha... I kid...

And I don't get the negativity expressed by some (as alluded to in the OP).
Everyone else gets something, but Doms are promised something special coming soon... haha, sounds good to me!
I'll take special on my own special day after everyone else has their run-of-the-mill stuff.


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Originally Posted by StratoNexus View Post
Radiation Control and Radiation Assault
This would be awesome. A control set with minor debuffs? Melee attacks like the shivians? Yes please.


 

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I don't mind Trick Arrow Assault/Control as long as it has no weapon draw.


What's left is to normalize all Assassin Strikes and improve Stalker's old sets (Claw, MA and EM)! You don't need to bring back the missing PbAoE attack. You just need to make the existing ones better! For example, make Slice a WIDER and LONGER cone.

 

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Whip Assault is something I both fear and look forward to. I really like the whip attacks, yeah. But all the various BDSM characters that will be spawned will give me nightmares. THE BLACK LEATHER, IT IS ABUNDANT.


 

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I'd like a Big Government theme. How about IRS Control and Homeland Security Assault?


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