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Originally Posted by Obscure Blade
They said their animation team didn't have the time for anything with new animations; those new sets presumably being a major reason why. Which does suggest that whatever they are planning has new animations.
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New Sets that we know in Issue 21:
Titan Weapon for 4 melee ATs
Street Fighting for 4 melee ATs
Time Manuplation for 4 ATs
Beam Rifle for 3 ATs
Blaster got Dark/Dark. Yes, I consider them new.
So with proliferated sets...
Brute - 5 sets (titan, street, ninja, broad, regen)
Scrapper - 5 sets (titan, street, mace, axe, energy aura)
Tanker - 4 sets (titan, street, martial, sr)
Corruptor - 4 sets (time, poison, psionic, beam)
Defender - 4 sets (time, beam, fire, thermal)
Blaster - 3 sets (dark, dark m, beam)
Stalker - 3 sets (ice, titan, street)
Controller - 2 sets (poison, time)
MM - 2 sets (sonic, time)
Dominator - zero point zero.
This is the picture so far but of course they can always announce more later. And when is issue 22 coming out again? Next year?
It's gotta be Whip Assault/Control. Why else would animation take that long to make? Dark Illusion won't even need new animations. They can simply just take some from Illusion and take some from /Dark.
What's left is to normalize all Assassin Strikes and improve Stalker's old sets (Claw, MA and EM)! You don't need to bring back the missing PbAoE attack. You just need to make the existing ones better! For example, make Slice a WIDER and LONGER cone.
Titan Weapons are coming out after Issue 21, so don't count. Time Manipulation is a new set and has nothing to do with Power Proliferation; as a buff/debuff set it isn't eligible to be proliferated to Doms at all. And Street Justice & Beam weapons aren't part of Power Proliferation, but have to be bought with Paragon Points. So a better comparison is:
Brute - 3 sets (katana, broad, regen)
Scrapper - 3 sets (mace, axe, energy aura)
Tanker - 2 sets (martial, sr)
Corruptor - 2 sets (poison, psionic)
Defender - 2 sets (fire, thermal)
Blaster - 2 sets (dark, dark m)
Stalker - 1 sets (ice)
Controller - 1 sets (poison)
MM - 1 set (sonic)
Dominator - zero point zero.
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No, I am counting all the new sets that have been announced so far. Proliferated, free, and cash set - they are all "new" sets.|
Originally Posted by Obscure Blade
Titan Weapons are coming out after Issue 21, so don't count. Time Manipulation is a new set and has nothing to do with Power Proliferation; as a buff/debuff set it isn't eligible to be proliferated to Doms at all. And Street Justice & Beam weapons aren't part of Power Proliferation, but have to be bought with Paragon Points. So a better comparison is:
Brute - 3 sets (katana, broad, regen) Scrapper - 3 sets (mace, axe, energy aura) Tanker - 2 sets (martial, sr) Corruptor - 2 sets (poison, psionic) Defender - 2 sets (fire, thermal) Blaster - 2 sets (dark, dark m) Stalker - 1 sets (ice) Controller - 1 sets (poison) MM - 1 set (sonic) Dominator - zero point zero. |
I am merely pointing out there is no announcement for Dominator in issue 21 and potentially right after 21. We'll see.
What's left is to normalize all Assassin Strikes and improve Stalker's old sets (Claw, MA and EM)! You don't need to bring back the missing PbAoE attack. You just need to make the existing ones better! For example, make Slice a WIDER and LONGER cone.
While some folks have speculated that the upcoming *awesome* for Dominators lies in new sets, I'd like to throw out an alternative *awesome* item:
MM-style controls for Control-based sets.
Just as there is tech allowing for Incarnate pets to be controlled, so too would the evolution of pets extend to granting Doms (and even controllers) the ability to use those same options.
Sure, it is a reach, but considering that Control-based Sets (and in this case Masterminds control their henchpersons primarily) are to be a VIP/paid exclusive, I think this level of tech would be a mighty boon to Doms (and Controllers) worthy of these ATs being bumped to exclusive status.
Feel free to laugh, but I think there is something to this.
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Originally Posted by Mind_Over_Matter
While some folks have speculated that the upcoming *awesome* for Dominators lies in new sets, I'd like to throw out an alternative *awesome* item:
MM-style controls for Control-based sets. Just as there is tech allowing for Incarnate pets to be controlled, so too would the evolution of pets extend to granting Doms (and even controllers) the ability to use those same options. Sure, it is a reach, but considering that Control-based Sets (and in this case Masterminds control their henchpersons primarily) are to be a VIP/paid exclusive, I think this level of tech would be a mighty boon to Doms (and Controllers) worthy of these ATs being bumped to exclusive status. Feel free to laugh, but I think there is something to this. |
I won't laugh because I once suggested that during the old Domination, Dom can control the pets but then Mind doesn't have pet.
lol
What's left is to normalize all Assassin Strikes and improve Stalker's old sets (Claw, MA and EM)! You don't need to bring back the missing PbAoE attack. You just need to make the existing ones better! For example, make Slice a WIDER and LONGER cone.
The ability to control Control Set pets would be nice in part because there are several points in the Trials that require a certain amount of finesse when it comes to pets.
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Ah, but this would be the part where Mind Control would get to actually control basic settings of the enemies they confuse!|
Originally Posted by Jibikao
I won't laugh because I once suggested that during the old Domination, Dom can control the pets but then Mind doesn't have pet.
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You wouldn't get to select the precise powers they use any more than you can currently, but you could set them to Aggressive, Passive, etc. and direct them on where to go. As far as I see it, Mind Control (and Plant/Illusion Control) would just get even *more* awesome.
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Unless it's Blow Up Doll Control and Sex Toy Assault I don't think anything they announce to be released (whenever they get around to it) for next year will make up for getting zip now when everyone else and their sister is getting about 2 new sets. I find it amazing that there's all this animation time and power creation programming time for everyone else, but there's none for dominators. Instead we get empty promises.
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Originally Posted by Jibikao
Yeah, I was going to say that they really want to keep this "exciting" plan quiet. I thought they would announce a new Dominator set than introducing two more new sets to those that are going to get proliferated sets too.
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Please buff Ice Control.
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It's only an empty promise if they don't follow though. And unless you have psychic powers you can't know that they won't.
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Originally Posted by DarkCurrent
Instead we get empty promises.
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Well it's already doomed to this because using words like 'exciting future plans' for dominators paints the devs into a no-win corner. The nature of the beast is that no matter what set eventually comes out, it's not going to be the set X, Y or Z wanted and therefore will fail to be 'exciting' for those customers. Especially when you have to wait months longer than everyone else. So while all the other kids are playing with their new toys, the red-headed dominator is sent to their room to play with last year's beat up dolls and action figures.
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Originally Posted by Obscure Blade
It's only an empty promise if they don't follow though. And unless you have psychic powers you can't know that they won't.
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Please buff Ice Control.
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Originally Posted by Jibikao
You talk like Dominator is the only AT that got new sets recently.
I think people are just anxious to hear what is new for Dom. And yes, they did say they have no time to port a set in this round of Proliferation but they announced FOUR NEW SETS for all core ATs except for Dominator. The announcement of Street Fighting and Beam Rifle is a bit shocking to me because I was under the impression that they don't have time to make "new" sets at all. Well, obviously, they do have time. They just don't have time for Dominator in issue 21. If issue 21 is as big as it seems, then it is even "bitter" that Dominator isn't getting anything new. I just want to know WTF is that "exciting' set. Just announce it! How come I have a feeling there is no plan..currently. They may have some rough ideas but "plan" is not yet formed. (although from profit point of view, making new cash sets that can be used in 3 or 4 ATs is better than making one for only one AT. Dominator isn't even in the top 3 most used.) |
It just find it really funny that people sit here and act like the developers plot and scheme to purposefully leave out Dominators and then act like it something they are doing purposefully to THEM..
Seriously some of us need to get over ourselves.
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Seriously, I find it funny that people don't see the unfairness in this. Dominator fans want something new too. Why should they wait so much longer than other ATs? Dom fans may just want an announcement of something so they can get excited about. Who knows when those new sets are ready but at least they can get excited about. |
Originally Posted by Airhammer
There are other AT's besides Dominators to play.. and there is nothing stopping me from playing the Dominators I already enjoy...
It just find it really funny that people sit here and act like the developers plot and scheme to purposefully leave out Dominators and then act like it something they are doing purposefully to THEM.. Seriously some of us need to get over ourselves. |
At this point, I do think they leave out Dominator on purpose and for a good reason. When Freedom goes live, they need to test the market and they need something to keep the company going. Street Justice and Beam Rifle can satisfy 7 ATs, while a new Dominator control or assault can only satisfy 1 AT. Do the math.
I am not so much of a Dominator fan now but I do feel each AT should get something, even if it's a recycled set like Illusion or Dark Assault. The reason Dom isn't getting anything is because animations take too long. Well, they certainly have time to create 3 new sets Time, Street and Beam. It's all about priorities.
The AT I hate the most is Tanker but if Tanker isn't getting anything until issue 22, then I will voice my opinion too.
I don't think the dev is scheming but I do feel priorities are a bit off here. And of course, maybe they are not done with all the announcements. I just want to know what it is that is taking so long. It's gotta be Whip Assault. If that's the case, isn't it better to just come up a Dark Assault with existing powers (I'll give them the benefit of the doubt that Illusion isn't ready for whatever reason/conflicts) in this round of 3rd Proliferation and then make Whip Assault/Control a "cash set" like Street Justice?
Here is the thing. I will be mad if Dominator's new sets require cash points by the time it's ready because Dom should have got something already.
And I just don't know what's so "exciting" about the new plans for Dom. It's gotta be either Whip or Dark-related set, which many of us already predicted, requested, fantasized about. The only way I would find it "exciting" is Dominator is getting two sets of Controls/Assaults. Now THAT'S exciting. :P
They kept saying "no discussion on Dominator" in last facebook chat. They won't even mention anything. What's a better way to surprise the fans than announcing Dominator's set in comic con? Unless, of course, there is no solid plan yet...
What's left is to normalize all Assassin Strikes and improve Stalker's old sets (Claw, MA and EM)! You don't need to bring back the missing PbAoE attack. You just need to make the existing ones better! For example, make Slice a WIDER and LONGER cone.
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Originally Posted by Jibikao
Seriously, I find it funny that people don't see the unfairness in this. Dominator fans want something new too. Why should they wait so much longer than other ATs?
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I am a Dominator fan. IMO the situation is not unfair.
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Originally Posted by Jibikao
Seriously, I find it funny that people don't see the unfairness in this. Dominator fans want something new too. Why should they wait so much longer than other ATs? Dom fans may just want an announcement of something so they can get excited about. Who knows when those new sets are ready but at least they can get excited about.
At this point, I do think they leave out Dominator on purpose and for a good reason. When Freedom goes live, they need to test the market and they need something to keep the company going. Street Justice and Beam Rifle can satisfy 7 ATs, while a new Dominator control or assault can only satisfy 1 AT. Do the math. I am not so much of a Dominator fan now but I do feel each AT should get something, even if it's a recycled set like Illusion or Dark Assault. The reason Dom isn't getting anything is because animations take too long. Well, they certainly have time to create 3 new sets Time, Street and Beam. It's all about priorities. The AT I hate the most is Tanker but if Tanker isn't getting anything until issue 22, then I will voice my opinion too. I don't think the dev is scheming but I do feel priorities are a bit off here. And of course, maybe they are not done with all the announcements. I just want to know what it is that is taking so long. It's gotta be Whip Assault. If that's the case, isn't it better to just come up a Dark Assault with existing powers (I'll give them the benefit of the doubt that Illusion isn't ready for whatever reason/conflicts) in this round of 3rd Proliferation and then make Whip Assault/Control a "cash set" like Street Justice? Here is the thing. I will be mad if Dominator's new sets require cash points by the time it's ready because Dom should have got something already. And I just don't know what's so "exciting" about the new plans for Dom. It's gotta be either Whip or Dark-related set, which many of us already predicted, requested, fantasized about. The only way I would find it "exciting" is Dominator is getting two sets of Controls/Assaults. Now THAT'S exciting. :P They kept saying "no discussion on Dominator" in last facebook chat. They won't even mention anything. What's a better way to surprise the fans than announcing Dominator's set in comic con? Unless, of course, there is no solid plan yet... |
This is exactly what I just said.. people feeling like something was done TO THEM.. Like he Devs sit around and scheme.. hey lets screw the Dominator AT this issue...
Do you realize how silly that sounds?
The devs said upfront they had plans for Dominators but WERE UNABLE TO FIT THEM IN THIS ISSUE... that should show that they had plans.. wanted to do something but because of time constraints.. artwork issues.. balance issues and who knows what else they couldnt fit it in..
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Here's something interesting from Pupster at the Comic Con, a Dominator specific enhancement apparently, named Ascendency of the Dominator.
Apparently all the ATs are getting some AT specific IOs.
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I'm a bit annoyed that the pessimism from the other thread got dragged into this one too. Powersets've been said to be in the works for Dominators (when asked what those 'big plans' for dominators involved, a redname confirmed it was powersets). It looks like they just aren't ready to do a reveal yet. The lack of details doesn't mean they aren't working on it even right now; just look at how close-lipped they've been about some things they've been working on for over a year or more before doing a reveal.
I mean, power customization, anyone? City of Heroes Freedom? Completely out of the blue announcements of things they've been working on or a long time.
Dark Control, once they put it out, is likely to be as unique as Electrical Control (and out of the blue too), since the devs've apparently been showing a preference for creating fairly unique sets recently. And that'd take a lot more work than a straightforward port of a bunch of stuff. Hell, Earth Assault I don't think turned out like a lot of people would've predicted. So I'm not sure we can really predict readily what'll go into Dark Control or Dark Assault.
As for Illusion Control, I still don't know why it hasn't been ported yet, but they have promised eventual proliferation of all sets that it makes sense to proliferate. It might be that they invested all their Dominator development time into flashy new powersets instead of proliferation, or that they're holding it back for new animations, undecided tweaks, or something else. I don't know.
Given how generally unexpected the latest powerset announcements've been (Titan Weapons, Beam Weapons, Street Justice, Time Manipulation), speculation might turn out useless in the end.
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Also, seriously? This is a very whiny way to think. Shiny new powersets are shiny new powersets.
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Originally Posted by DarkCurrent
The nature of the beast is that no matter what set eventually comes out, it's not going to be the set X, Y or Z wanted and therefore will fail to be 'exciting' for those customers. Especially when you have to wait months longer than everyone else. So while all the other kids are playing with their new toys, the red-headed dominator is sent to their room to play with last year's beat up dolls and action figures.
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Oh interesting. It says "account bound". I wonder if this is going to be a "cash item" or it's part of Incarnate rewards?
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Here's something interesting from Pupster at the Comic Con, a Dominator specific enhancement apparently, named Ascendency of the Dominator.
Apparently all the ATs are getting some AT specific IOs. |
What's left is to normalize all Assassin Strikes and improve Stalker's old sets (Claw, MA and EM)! You don't need to bring back the missing PbAoE attack. You just need to make the existing ones better! For example, make Slice a WIDER and LONGER cone.
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I am annoyed by the fact that they haven't announced anything and that by the time the new Dominator set comes out (which is after Issue 21), it might be next year. Assuming Freedom enters beta in Sept, Issue 21 probably won't be ready until late Oct or early Nov and I am sure there will be more "fixing patches" along the way. |
Originally Posted by Airhammer
The devs said upfront they had plans for Dominators but WERE UNABLE TO FIT THEM IN THIS ISSUE... that should show that they had plans.. wanted to do something but because of time constraints.. artwork issues.. balance issues and who knows what else they couldnt fit it in.. |
In the mean time, other ATs may have up to 4-5 new sets to play with. I just think it's unhealthy to release several new sets for all ATs but one. I would assume we'll see people creating new toons but how many are creating new Dominator? I can understand Mastermind not getting a new primarily because that should take longer than Dominator set.
I don't think the dev has an agenda against Dominator players, but I do think there is a priority issue, even though we all know there are more Blaster players than Dominator so naturally Dom's set is put off until later. I can't imagine one dominator proliferated set would take longer than creating 3 new sets (Time, Street, Beam).
Of course there will be new sets in the future. :P If they don't say that, then this game has no future, does it? So saying that there will be new plans for Dominator means really nothing. What they should be saying is "XXXXX" Set is taking longer but will come out in issue 22. And if they can't even say that, then there is no new set in the works in the time being. All the power team is devoted to all but one core AT.
Another thing I've noticed is that Dominator, like Tanker, seems to attract more hard-core players. Those players just prefer playing mostly Dom/Tanker. It could be just a marketing scheme to keep dominator fans wait longer and by the time Freedom Market comes out, they'll all rush to buy the new sets. Crazy conspiracy theory... I know. lol And the new Dominator set better not cost a dime because dom is supposed to get at least one proliferated set.
What's left is to normalize all Assassin Strikes and improve Stalker's old sets (Claw, MA and EM)! You don't need to bring back the missing PbAoE attack. You just need to make the existing ones better! For example, make Slice a WIDER and LONGER cone.
You do realize you're making just as unfounded speculations as the rest of us?
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I am annoyed by the fact that they haven't announced anything and that by the time the new Dominator set comes out (which is after Issue 21), it might be next year. Assuming Freedom enters beta in Sept, Issue 21 probably won't be ready until late Oct or early Nov and I am sure there will be more "fixing patches" along the way.
In the mean time, other ATs may have up to 4-5 new sets to play with. I just think it's unhealthy to release several new sets for all ATs but one. I would assume we'll see people creating new toons but how many are creating new Dominator? I can understand Mastermind not getting a new primarily because that should take longer than Dominator set. I don't think the dev has an agenda against Dominator players, but I do think there is a priority issue, even though we all know there are more Blaster players than Dominator so naturally Dom's set is put off until later. I can't imagine one dominator proliferated set would take longer than creating 3 new sets (Time, Street, Beam). Of course there will be new sets in the future. :P If they don't say that, then this game has no future, does it? So saying that there will be new plans for Dominator means really nothing. What they should be saying is "XXXXX" Set is taking longer but will come out in issue 22. And if they can't even say that, then there is no new set in the works in the time being. All the power team is devoted to all but one core AT. Another thing I've noticed is that Dominator, like Tanker, seems to attract more hard-core players. Those players just prefer playing mostly Dom/Tanker. It could be just a marketing scheme to keep dominator fans wait longer and by the time Freedom Market comes out, they'll all rush to buy the new sets. Crazy conspiracy theory... I know. lol And the new Dominator set better not cost a dime because dom is supposed to get at least one proliferated set. |
Meanwhile, over the past 3 years all Dominator characters have been recipients of one of the biggest buffs any single AT in this game has ever received in terms of changes to inherent powers and the proliferation of what are probably the best APPs in the game. You do not have to reroll your character to receive these advantages. IMO Blasters, Tankers, and Defenders should look at Dominators with envy no matter how many new power sets they get.
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Originally Posted by Oedipus_Tex
Meanwhile, over the past 3 years all Dominator characters have been recipients of one of the biggest buffs any single AT in this game has ever received in terms of changes to inherent powers and the proliferation of what are probably the best APPs in the game. You do not have to reroll your character to receive these advantages. IMO Blasters, Tankers, and Defenders should look at Dominators with envy no matter how many new power sets they get.
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Really, the ONLY thing that stops me from rolling only Dominators and Brutes these days is the limitations of Dominator and Brute Primaries. IF these ATs get more choices over the next few issues, there will be little reason to play anything else.
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Originally Posted by Oedipus_Tex
Meanwhile, over the past 3 years all Dominator characters have been recipients of one of the biggest buffs any single AT in this game has ever received in terms of changes to inherent powers and the proliferation of what are probably the best APPs in the game. You do not have to reroll your character to receive these advantages. IMO Blasters, Tankers, and Defenders should look at Dominators with envy no matter how many new power sets they get.
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Dominator was under-performing. Whether you agree with the buffs or not is totally unrelated to this topic. Some enjoyed the low/high feeling of this AT and some enjoy the overall damage/set improvements. I enjoy the overall improvements because I don't want to feel like if my dominator isn't "perma-dom", it isn't worth keeping. However, the "perma-dom" gives fans a reason to keep playing the same toon until it's perma.
What's left is to normalize all Assassin Strikes and improve Stalker's old sets (Claw, MA and EM)! You don't need to bring back the missing PbAoE attack. You just need to make the existing ones better! For example, make Slice a WIDER and LONGER cone.
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Brute has a lot of sets though... ? You mean Stalker? :P
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Blasters for sure.
Really, the ONLY thing that stops me from rolling only Dominators and Brutes these days is the limitations of Dominator and Brute Primaries. IF these ATs get more choices over the next few issues, there will be little reason to play anything else. |
What's left is to normalize all Assassin Strikes and improve Stalker's old sets (Claw, MA and EM)! You don't need to bring back the missing PbAoE attack. You just need to make the existing ones better! For example, make Slice a WIDER and LONGER cone.
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Originally Posted by Jibikao
I won't laugh because I once suggested that during the old Domination, Dom can control the pets but then Mind doesn't have pet.
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