Glue Grenade makes me not want to run Mayhems

I honestly want to know who thought this was a good idea:

-72.00% run speed
-4.37 max run speed
-40000.00% jump height
-20.00% strength to recharge

30 GOD D*MN SECONDS

That is half a freaking minute of being practically immobile, as well as suffering from the nerve-fraying Tiny Icon Syndrome. And nothing stops them from stacking multiple Glue Grenades on you, or even worse staggering them to perma-glue you. Stroking my face with a cheese grater is more fun than this.

My suggestion is that Glue Grenade does what it looks like it does: Lays a ground effect which debuffs targets currently in the AoE. If for some reason this is too intuitive, then for the love of Nemesis cut down the duration. It's not game-breaking, it's not overpowered, but it sucks all the fun out of mid-level Mayhems and turns it into a massive ball of aggrivation.

... and then you meet Malta stuns.

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I agree.

They are particularly frustrating on timed missions like Mayhems.

The PPD Ghosts have their ridiculous debuff move, and so are usually the first target to take down, giving the Equalisers time to drop their glue grenade.

Gee, glue grenade sounds an awful lot like Glue Arrow from the Trick Arrow set.

You're right, it is completely unfair that they can do the same thing to us that we can do to them.

Edit: it is EXACTLY like Glue Arrow, even down to the duration. I bet you'll find the radius is the same as well. Glue Arrow is 25 feet.

The NPCs don't get to complain when we do stuff like that to them. And to be honest, if the NPC powers weren't similar in effect to our own, the game would be far, far easier than it is now. I kind of like the fact that there are NPCs that are problematic, it makes the game less of a buttonmashing grindfest when you have to stop and think about what you need to target first in a given group of enemies.

Do your preventive Breakfree inspirations not work?

On a slow? No, the break frees do nothing.

First of all: "It gets worse" is not a good argument. I hate Malta status effects so bad that they essentially made me stop playing ANYTHING without consistent, permanent status protection of some kind. That's not a good thing.

Secondly: We are under no obligation to be "fair" to the NPCs. They're not alive. They don't have feelings. They don't have rights. We kill them by the thousands every day and no-one cares. It's a general rule of gaming that if players are exposed to their own completely unfair, very frustrating powers, they feel cheated. Because people don't mind when they cheat against the computer, but feel cheated when the computer cheats against them.

Finally: This isn't a question of difficulty. Glue Grenades don't make Mayhem missions much more difficult. It's a question of annoyance. SWAT Equalizers are the virtual equivalent of someone sitting on a chair next to me, jabbing me in the ribs with his elbow every 30-60 seconds and I don't get to punch him in the face at the end of the day. It's balance by annoyance, and I don't like that. Even the insulting Ghost Flashbang isn't as bad.

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Originally Posted by Arcanaville Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.

I see nothing in the listed effects that negates Flying. Do the same thing I do for KoA caltrops and pop on a Jetpack until you're out of the patch. Problem solved.

Alternatively, play with someone who has a confuse power, and be sure to kill the Equalizer last. Glue Grenades go from the annoying whatever you called them to a huge fun enhancer. Don't take my fun away, I like it how it is thanks.

Conclusion: There are two easy easy easy answers to the problem of glue grenades that don't require rebalancing, and don't require nerfing other people's fun. Can we move on?

I agree with the OP. Breakfrees do nothing against Slow effects or -Recharge. I've had characters who couldn't finish missions at 0 Diff because of stacked effects such as this. I'm not asking for easier...I just want the challenge to be less annoying.

Simply don't allow their Glue Grenades to stack. They can still lay them down frequently but allowing them to stack them is insane IMHO.

I dig glue grenades and I dig mayhems.


When I am in a mayhem I use selective targeting to take out the guys who do me the worst first. I forget which two kinds of mobs they are, but there's one mob with a wicked tohit debuff and another one that glues ya. equalizer and something else.

There are a number of groups that have some stickler mob that throws the monkey wrench into my works.

I have a hunt macro that I use when I want to to target particular kinds of NPCs. I don't use it for mayhems as I recognize the offenders by sight. But like with Malta where they all wear the same colors, I use the targetcustomnext thingy to take out the sappers first.

I enjoy having challenges to overcome in my games.

I dislike glue grenades, but for the most part I think they're a legitimate challenge. Above all else, I just wish the debuff would be shorter so that I'm not stuck sitting around crawling to my next objective for 29 seconds after the group is dead. It's annoying and un-fun and doesn't really add any more challenge to the game other than the challenge involved in not screaming at your character to hurry the *%&^ up. At the very least I'd like to the the effect end when the caster dies.

As for the Flashbang grenades, seriously, *^&( those guys. That's a power that's just plain over-the top in annoyance. -tohit and -defence at a higher amount than a defender using RI for a flat 30 secs? If anything keeps me from playing the Mayhems, it's the ghosts.