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Originally Posted by Graizl
Scrappers are getting energy aura, withouy energy melee? ;(
I know some still have that hatred against pink pom pom, but since we can change the colors now... why no love for energy melee on scrappers? |
I don't see very many Energy Melee Tanks or Brutes anymore either.
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Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison See, it's gems like these that make me check Claws' post history every once in a while to make sure I haven't missed anything good lately. |
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Doesn't help that the ST damage isn't that amazing either.
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Originally Posted by ClawsandEffect
Probably because in an era where AoE damage is in such demand, a set that only gets one pathetic AoE attack isn't very sought after.
I don't see very many Energy Melee Tanks or Brutes anymore either. |
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Because the Dev's actually like scrappers. Keeping Energy Melee away from scrappers IS showing them love.
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Originally Posted by Graizl
Scrappers are getting energy aura, withouy energy melee? ;(
I know some still have that hatred against pink pom pom, but since we can change the colors now... why no love for energy melee on scrappers? |
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I actually want an Energy Melee Scrapper. I love the Energy Transfer animation!
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I would rank Energy Melee as the worst set on Stalker. Total Focus only criticals a small portion and Energy Transfer doesn't even critical and the set has zero aoe.
I am not sure why Scrappers want Energy Melee that bad. Kinetic Melee wins by a large margin.
Energy Melee with the old ET... sure.
What's left is to normalize all Assassin Strikes and improve Stalker's old sets (Claw, MA and EM)! You don't need to bring back the missing PbAoE attack. You just need to make the existing ones better! For example, make Slice a WIDER and LONGER cone.
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For the uber goodness that will be shields defense with energy transfer of course. I am wanting to see what the end result is going to be with scrapper numbers with em/sd. If it beats what a brute gets with fury and AaO then thats what I will hold out for. Its really going to depend on what happens with crits in this set and if they butcher the stuns or not like the stalker version.
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Originally Posted by Jibikao
I would rank Energy Melee as the worst set on Stalker. Total Focus only criticals a small portion and Energy Transfer doesn't even critical and the set has zero aoe.
I am not sure why Scrappers want Energy Melee that bad. Kinetic Melee wins by a large margin. Energy Melee with the old ET... sure. |
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Energy Aura looks visually more like Kinetic Melee anyway.
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Originally Posted by Jibikao
I would rank Energy Melee as the worst set on Stalker. Total Focus only criticals a small portion and Energy Transfer doesn't even critical and the set has zero aoe.
I am not sure why Scrappers want Energy Melee that bad. Kinetic Melee wins by a large margin. Energy Melee with the old ET... sure. |
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Can we get a fix for Energy Melee instead of more new sets?
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For the uber goodness that will be shields defense with energy transfer of course. I am wanting to see what the end result is going to be with scrapper numbers with em/sd. If it beats what a brute gets with fury and AaO then thats what I will hold out for.
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There is not even a chance of it being better on the SD Brute unless the Devs literally re-write the entire power set. Which I don't think they will do.
Anytime you bring SD into the combination, just automatically assume that the Scrapper version will completely outclass the Brute version.
Energy transfer on a scrapper is going to be doing something like 110 DPA on twenty second recharge. It also has an okay stun and hurts you quite a bit. Importantly, it probably won't get any chance to crit at all. Compare that to something like sweeping strike, which does about 100 DPA on eleven second recharge, is a huge cone, and does not hurt you. Or storm kick, which does again around 100 DPA but on six second recharge, has an enhanced chance to crit, and does not hurt you. Dual blades and martial arts also get honest to gosh grown up aoe powers, one of which I already enumerated as a DPA champion. So what's the point of energy melee?
Energy Melee got over-nerfed back when lolpvp was still part of what designers cared about. (previous form of lolpvp)
Maybe if they proliferated it to scrappers they would be forced to fix it
the ST just needs faster animations
One AOE would be fine if they made it more competitive with Spin or Fire Sword Circle.
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Id rather have Ice Melee
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Because we have Kin Melee which can work with Energy Aura just as easily right now.|
Originally Posted by Graizl
Scrappers are getting energy aura, withouy energy melee? ;(
I know some still have that hatred against pink pom pom, but since we can change the colors now... why no love for energy melee on scrappers? |
Not that I'm against Energy Melee being ported, it just isn't happening yet. Yet being the keyword.
Hopefully they change it a bit when they do port it, like with a new shorter animation for ET (and possibly TF). Turn them into 1.67 (1.848 with arcanatime) animations, make the set a ST killer! Attack would be fast enough not to hit dead bodies so many times.
And it's these changes that is the reason I hope they didn't port it now, since they said they didn't want to port anything that would require a lot of animation time.
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You're not missing much, energy melee sucks. It is huge burst single target damage in a world of fast animating AoE attacks.
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Originally Posted by Graizl
Scrappers are getting energy aura, withouy energy melee? ;(
I know some still have that hatred against pink pom pom, but since we can change the colors now... why no love for energy melee on scrappers? |
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Even if they did want to reemphasize the set's single target dominance, I don't think they would do it by just increasing the DPA of its attacks. Yes, currently total focus is mighty sad, worse than the basic or next best attacks in most scrapper sets, but it just seems like the devs are a little more creative than that. Look at KM, for example. Pretty much all of its attacks are in a very consistent, slightly above average area with their DPA. The reason it can do impressive single target is of course that instead of build up it gets mini-brute mode, with particularly good uptime for scrappers. Clearly they wouldn't want to repeat that exact solution for EM, but something a bit more flavorful than just "now it's slightly faster" could only help.
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Even if they did want to reemphasize the set's single target dominance, I don't think they would do it by just increasing the DPA of its attacks. Yes, currently total focus is mighty sad, worse than the basic or next best attacks in most scrapper sets, but it just seems like the devs are a little more creative than that. Look at KM, for example. Pretty much all of its attacks are in a very consistent, slightly above average area with their DPA. The reason it can do impressive single target is of course that instead of build up it gets mini-brute mode, with particularly good uptime for scrappers. Clearly they wouldn't want to repeat that exact solution for EM, but something a bit more flavorful than just "now it's slightly faster" could only help.
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Whirling Hands? LOVED IT! Considered the worst PBAOE then, just as it is now. I still loved it!
Total Focus was corpse smashing even then! That's okay. Still loved the set!
Energy Transfere became a corpse smasher too? WTF! OMG!
*sigh*
Didn't help that I didn't care for the animation, either.
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I think it's more "no love for energy melee". It needs an overhaul in the worst way. YMMV.
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Originally Posted by Graizl
Scrappers are getting energy aura, withouy energy melee? ;(
I know some still have that hatred against pink pom pom, but since we can change the colors now... why no love for energy melee on scrappers? |
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This. Energy Melee became dead to me when Kin was created. I'll be going Kin/Eng as soon as the issue goes live.
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Originally Posted by Vanden
Energy Aura looks visually more like Kinetic Melee anyway.
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Which is to say it (EM) will still dissapoint as a melee set. :lol: I'm not usually one to talk trash on sets, but EM/ needs some serious attention before it gets passed around more. I didn't care for the ET mechanic in the first place, and after the nerfs - what's the point?
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Originally Posted by Deus_Otiosus
Anytime you bring SD into the combination, just automatically assume that the Scrapper version will completely outclass the Brute version.
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I agree, there is no point.
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Originally Posted by MayorOfAngrytown
and after the nerfs - what's the point?
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There are a nearly infinite number of ways EM could be "fixed", one of them is changing content to increase the importance of ST damage. Hopefully that happens at least to some degree.
Even then though, EM is going to be pretty miserable
I think I once calculated that before the EM nerf, I had well over 100 levels of EM IF I ONLY COUNTED LEVELS ABOVE 30. I loved the feel of ET. I still like the look and feel of barrage, EP WH and BS, but with marginal performance, that's not enough.
I think I've gained exactly two EM levels over 30 since the nerf... it's possible that number might be 3.
I'm looking forward to the port of EM to scrappers for exactly the same reason I was looking forward to the port of EA to scrappers.
When they port it, they'll probably fix it.
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Originally Posted by Gobbledygook
Some of us despise the animations in KM. Alot.
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What's left is to normalize all Assassin Strikes and improve Stalker's old sets (Claw, MA and EM)! You don't need to bring back the missing PbAoE attack. You just need to make the existing ones better! For example, make Slice a WIDER and LONGER cone.
Scrappers are getting energy aura, withouy energy melee? ;(
I know some still have that hatred against pink pom pom, but since we can change the colors now... why no love for energy melee on scrappers?
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