keyes worth it?

"Hey lets do the keyes mission, it takes 3 times as long to complete and the drops are the same".. Cmon its so much harder... give me somthing rare! Im just saying :}

No. I'm sorry. I can't. I am not the RNG.

I'm sorry also that no one else in here can help you with that either. We're all players here, not an RNG to be found in this forum.

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You gotta admit that it's frustrating though. On Vigilance, we play as if Keyes didn't exist, because the aggravation-to-fun ratio of that Trial is off the scale compared to the other two. It obviously needs some serious tweaks.

You gotta admit that it's not a player question though.

Just think of it as the Quarterfield of the iTrials. People still do Quarterfield, but not many.

I find Keyes material reward rate to be about half as good as the other two. If you highly value the Empyrean merit or simply want a change of pace then it's worth it.

However, the dearth of Incarnate content and high desirability of the goodies you can get with the rewards leads to that content being used as farms - and as a farm Keyes truly sucks.

Let's see - BAF and Lambda have been live for, what three months now? And have been run repeatedly so that people can do it in their sleep?

Keyes has been live for less than two weeks? It will soon become just as easy to run as the other two.

I like having a third option to getting the iXP and drops.

I don't think its any harder, it may be a little longer, but after a few more weeks, and certainly by the time issue 21 comes out, it will become as trivial as the BAF or Lamda.

The difficulty right now is because its new and not everyone is familiar with the strategies that go with the various phases, but that is quickly changing. It was the same with the BAF and Lamda before people figured out choke points for the prisoners on BAF, where the glowie locations were in Lamda, and improved on syncronizing the killing of NS and Seige.

Keyes can be done very quickly if you get everyone working together properly in grabbing glowies and knocking out the consoles. The final AM fight is easy if you're paying attention to the disintegration and the obliteration beam. Grab the glowies, charge the consoles, kill the warwoks fast, charge the consoles, raid the bunkers, charge the consoles, keep AM distracted and where he needs to be during the first few phases, and then beat him up as fast as possible. If everyone does their part and follows instructions its not difficult. Ran one last night that I swear we knocked out in less than 20 minutes. So fast it surprised me, and that was with several rookies, but just a couple good leaders that were very good at leading, and people who followed instructions, and I think we could have gone much faster still.

Before everyone knew the lamda well and how it worked it was hard as hell gathering the glowies and getting people to cooperate with the temp powers. BAF was also before people knew to kill the adds and how to knock out the prisoners efficiently.

I think the IXP bug is making Keyes look less attractive right now for some people.

I like Keyes because it's fun. Fun is the sole reward you get out of gaming at all. Some people just have more fun playing a challenging and complex task than in the ephemeral sense of value that comes from getting a prize that doesn't actually exist.

I'd liek it if the drops were commensurate, but I don't care that much if they aren't. I'm all for Keyes always dropping a Rare or Very Rare, to stop the explosion in WE WANT MORE THREADS of straight-up increases, but to still give it a useful purpose. Likewise, Lambda should drop at least Uncommons.

I play Keyes simply because lots of people find it hard. Routinely doing stuff that others consider difficult makes me feel powerful. Keyes is a good example of what incarnate content should be like - stuff that only the strongest heroes and heroines can take on and have a good chance of winning.

I'm against any increase in rewards (especially any guaranteed increase) which further trivializes the cost of getting incarnate powers. I'd rather BAF rewards be nerfed.

Keyes is worth it for the fun of it alone. It is much more exciting to me than BAF or Lambda, now that both of those are down to a science.

That said, it has a solid deal of difficulty compared to those two, so I wouldn't see a problem with the trial awarding more Astral Merits. Perhaps two per phase instead of just one.

Sounds like a trollquest, but I think as others have said that it will get easier and faster with familiarity. I like to do it sometimes to do a trifecta and get 3 e-merits in an evening.

I do think 3 reactors and 90 temps is excessive. I would have preferred 1-2 temp per terminal, I think that would speed it along more, even if they had to reduce the number of glowies, increase the number of Goliaths, or increase the refresh timers.

It can be an exciting trial and also frustrating. It's the first one where I really feel like the league could be effectively split into multiple tasks (defeating WW, collecting temps, using temps, taunting AM) in such a way as to significantly reduce the overall time. So on a great team, it's quite fun. On a new or poor team, it can be very frustrating, particularly when Obliterations keep healing him and you fail due to lack of time.

I like to keep it in my mix, but finding people is still like finding people on LAM a couple months ago when BAF was the only easy iTrial.

Nope.

Too time consuming. The rewards are not significantly improved (at least not that I've seen) for the time involved and this time will never be significantly improved due to the requirements of the trial and too many deaths with the unresistible 50% (or more) damage and other trick powers that we can do nothing to avoid.

I find this trial designed like some of the new missions lately, to see how many time you can be sent to the hosp, with very little other purpose but to give you the feeling of complete frustration and uselessness.

I did not feel this way about the other two trials, not even the first time I did them.

Once in a while, for a change of pace, or for an extra E-Merit for the day. But I'd personally rather do something else than yet another grindy trial for a change and I don't need E-Merits that badly.

Personally, I'd rather do a Doc Quarterfield. I don't get the chance very often.