I personally think they should have held it back till they ported Ice Melee as well. But then again, there'd likely be riots if there was two villain ATs saying "None" on that power proliferation outline.
What interests me is, wasn't Leo_G's proposed Ice Armor for Stalkers suggestion similar to what we're getting? Regardless, looking forward to this.
Been waiting for this since CoV beta
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Ice Armor for Stalkers
We chose Ice Armor this time around as it was a fun and thematically interesting power set and it was the only option that didnt require substantial art time. Since our talented artists are working their rear ends off making content in Issue 21 shine, this round of Power Set Proliferation required that there would be no art time used. Ice Armor had to have some changes made to make it compatible with the Stalker play style. First we removed Icicles to make room for Hide and then we removed Hibernate and replaced it with Icy Bastion. This change was made because Stalkers already have access to Hibernate from their Leviathan Patron Pool. The new power Icy Bastion is a click power that provides a short, but significant, burst of Resistance, Regeneration and Recovery.
Ice Armor should be good on Stalker because it's a mix of defense and +HP and some resistance.
I still want Ice Melee more though. 
What's left is to normalize all Assassin Strikes and improve Stalker's old sets (Claw, MA and EM)! You don't need to bring back the missing PbAoE attack. You just need to make the existing ones better! For example, make Slice a WIDER and LONGER cone.
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Has some -DMG too with Chilling Embrace.
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Originally Posted by Jibikao
Ice Armor for Stalkers
We chose Ice Armor this time around as it was a fun and thematically interesting power set and it was the only option that didnt require substantial art time. Since our talented artists are working their rear ends off making content in Issue 21 shine, this round of Power Set Proliferation required that there would be no art time used. Ice Armor had to have some changes made to make it compatible with the Stalker play style. First we removed Icicles to make room for Hide and then we removed Hibernate and replaced it with Icy Bastion. This change was made because Stalkers already have access to Hibernate from their Leviathan Patron Pool. The new power Icy Bastion is a click power that provides a short, but significant, burst of Resistance, Regeneration and Recovery. Ice Armor should be good on Stalker because it's a mix of defense and +HP and some resistance. I still want Ice Melee more though. |
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I am shocked Stalkers are keeping Chilling Embrace. It's one of the best Taunt Auras in the game because of the incredibly fast ticks and hefty debuff. Even if they remove the taunt component it still going to be an aggro magnet for a class designed to shed aggro.
I may try to wait until I can see Ice Melee to go with it. I've been waiting since day 1 of CoV, I can probably wait a bit longer.
Then again, Dark/Ice would probably similarly fit the original concept, so maybe I'll give in...
I love Ice Armor. My Ice tank is almost 50 now. I love stalkers too, so add them together and it's almost like chocolate and peanut butter...
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Originally Posted by Lazarillo
I may try to wait until I can see Ice Melee to go with it. I've been waiting since day 1 of CoV, I can probably wait a bit longer.
Then again, Dark/Ice would probably similarly fit the original concept, so maybe I'll give in... |
What would it's AS be called, anyway?
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Icicles is in ice armor on tanks stalkers get hide instead.|
But if stalkers get Ice Melee, then you'll lose Icicles and be stuck with GIS... What would it's AS be called, anyway? |
Also i would much rather have ice melee, heard something about making new animations take too much time but they can rehash animations and add a new one as a second animation.
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Doh. I feel silly. Hopefully they would get rid of GIS, then. Although I suspect that the set would be some sort of hybrid of ice melee for tanks and icy assault for dominators.
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Originally Posted by JengaBlocks
Icicles is in ice armor on tanks stalkers get hide instead.
Also i would much rather have ice melee, heard something about making new animations take too much time but they can rehash animations and add a new one as a second animation. |
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They should increase the damn Stalker HP. That'd help the new /Ices, the Regens and WPs.
Me, with the /EA revamp I don't feel like playing another typed defense set, I'd love Fire/Fire for Stalkers.
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They said that the animation team is fully booked until after Issue 21, so sets were picked for proliferation because they needed no new animations.
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Originally Posted by JengaBlocks
Also i would much rather have ice melee, heard something about making new animations take too much time but they can rehash animations and add a new one as a second animation.
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Still, use they could just use the Katana Assassin Strike with the Greater Ice Sword sword. No new animations.
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Originally Posted by Obscure Blade
They said that the animation team is fully booked until after Issue 21, so sets were picked for proliferation because they needed no new animations.
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I think they should replace GIS with Ice Sword Circle from Icy Assault. *sigh* Why do I have to have a bone for water and wind elements? On most Anime, Games, Books they get no justice...NO JUSTICE I TELL YAH!
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That would be a new animation I believe. You can't just swap the katana model and the Greater Ice Sword; one is a weapon model and the other is a power animation. Which is why we got custom katanas a lot sooner than we got colorable Greater Ice Sword.
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Originally Posted by Death_Adder
Still, use they could just use the Katana Assassin Strike with the Greater Ice Sword sword. No new animations.
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No thanks. No more horrendously long AS's thanks to pseudo rp.| Still, use they could just use the Katana Assassin Strike with the Greater Ice Sword sword |
Also i hope they make hoarfrost a new reconstruction clone
I think ISC would make more sense and it would add more AOE to the set...
Take out Taunt and make it hide. Take out GIS and make is ISC. Make Freezing Touch AS or Change the power to Something like the normal AS but more...Ice like...A giant Icicle or maybe an Ice Stalagmite jutting from the ground.
1.Ice Sword (or Frozen Fists)
2.Frost
3.Ice Slash
4.Assassin's Spike
5.Build Up
6.Placate
7.Ice Patch(Freezing Touch)
8.Ice Sword Circle
9.Frozen Aura
This set may be nothing but a pipe dream though...with that Much AOE...
Ice Patch is the only power that bothers me...it doesn't seem stalker-ish. I can't say much though look at ninjitsu and EA
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Originally Posted by Negate
I think ISC would make more sense and it would add more AOE to the set...
Take out Taunt and make it hide. Take out GIS and make is ISC. Make Freezing Touch AS or Change the power to Something like the normal AS but more...Ice like...A giant Icicle or maybe an Ice Stalagmite jutting from the ground. 1.Ice Sword (or Frozen Fists) 2.Frost 3.Ice Slash 4.Assassin's Spike 5.Build Up 6.Placate 7.Ice Patch(Freezing Touch) 8.Ice Sword Circle 9.Frozen Aura This set may be nothing but a pipe dream though...with that Much AOE... Ice Patch is the only power that bothers me...it doesn't seem stalker-ish. I can't say much though look at ninjitsu and EA |
However, without that, I wouldn't want to lose Ice Patch in the melee. An Ice Slick is needed on any Ice/Ice/Ice toon, for any AT.
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AoE isn't the problem there. You've got fewer AoE attacks there than Elec Melee has. The problem is the lack of the minor tier 1 / moderate tier 2 combo that ALL scrapper and stalker primaries have. Not sure they are willing to break that mold however interesting it might be to do so. So your 1 and 2 powers will likely remain Frozen Fists and Ice Sword. Ice Slash is also a bit strong for the tier 3 slot. And Ice Patch is most definitely not like anything any other Stalker has in its primary though I'd have to say if they keep it then an Ice/Ninja would be one heck of a Stalk-troller. |
Originally Posted by Negate
1.Ice Sword (or Frozen Fists)
2.Frost 3.Ice Slash 4.Assassin's Spike 5.Build Up 6.Placate 7.Ice Patch(Freezing Touch) 8.Ice Sword Circle 9.Frozen Aura This set may be nothing but a pipe dream though...with that Much AOE... |
Anyway, I'd expect something more like this:
1.Frozen Fists
2.Ice Sword
3.Frost
4.Assassin's Spike
5.Build Up
6.Placate
7.Ice Sword Circle
8.Ice Slash (or Freezing Touch)
9.Frozen Aura
Again, not saying I like this one better than your version... just that it seems more in-line with what we've been seeing from recent proliferations. They've been plenty willing to add more AoEs, but not to lose the basic tier 1/2. Not yet anyway.
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Ugh!!!!!!!!!!!
I am so annoyed. Why don't they port Ice Melee as well? Scrapper/Brute get 3 new sets.
Come on man. I really want to try Ice Melee on Stalker.
If they are modifying Ice Armor, they should port Ice Melee as well to complete the theme. I don't want to level an Ice Armor and then months later (or a year later), they decide to port Ice Melee.
What's left is to normalize all Assassin Strikes and improve Stalker's old sets (Claw, MA and EM)! You don't need to bring back the missing PbAoE attack. You just need to make the existing ones better! For example, make Slice a WIDER and LONGER cone.
I know I want to see Ice Melee, but I've no idea now what I'd give up for the Assassin Strike. To my mind, replacing any of the control powers would make it not really be Ice Melee anymore, so that'd be a bummer. It'd be hard to remove GIS as well, since that's the set's "heavy hitter", which is kind of important to a Stalker, and Frost, which I think is the most "easily sacrificed" power, but there's nothing else that works really well as a 3rd Tier power.
Previously, I'd thought they could move Ice Patch to the armor set as a replacement for Hibernate (and make Energy Absorption the Tier 9), but obviously, that didn't happen.
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I think for Stalker Ice Melee version, it needs to be modified quite a bit. I think Ice Patch and Frozen Touch are the two signature powers that shouldn't be taken out. The rest is debatable. They can replace Frozen Aura with Ice Sword Circle or whatnot and get rid of frozen fist and replace it with Ice Sword and Ice Slash from Dominator's version. |
Originally Posted by Lazarillo
I know I want to see Ice Melee, but I've no idea now what I'd give up for the Assassin Strike. To my mind, replacing any of the control powers would make it not really be Ice Melee anymore, so that'd be a bummer. It'd be hard to remove GIS as well, since that's the set's "heavy hitter", which is kind of important to a Stalker, and Frost, which I think is the most "easily sacrificed" power, but there's nothing else that works really well as a 3rd Tier power.
Previously, I'd thought they could move Ice Patch to the armor set as a replacement for Hibernate (and make Energy Absorption the Tier 9), but obviously, that didn't happen. |
I just think if they've decided to port Ice Armor, they should just finish Ice Melee on villain side.
What's left is to normalize all Assassin Strikes and improve Stalker's old sets (Claw, MA and EM)! You don't need to bring back the missing PbAoE attack. You just need to make the existing ones better! For example, make Slice a WIDER and LONGER cone.
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Changing it so there are a bunch more Ice Swords in the set could be pretty cool (no pun intended). I'd hate to see Frozen Aura changed, just because of how "signature" that particular one feels to me. Though I admit that an AoE sleep attack might be overpowered for a Stalker.
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Originally Posted by Jibikao
I think for Stalker Ice Melee version, it needs to be modified quite a bit. I think Ice Patch and Frozen Touch are the two signature powers that shouldn't be taken out. The rest is debatable. They can replace Frozen Aura with Ice Sword Circle or whatnot and get rid of frozen fist and replace it with Ice Sword and Ice Slash from Dominator's version.
I just think if they've decided to port Ice Armor, they should just finish Ice Melee on villain side. |
I love ice armor a lot and so excited that stalkers are finally getting it.
Now if I could just decide on a primary to go with it.