Another reason Trials Fail

For the most part it's actually pretty hard to fail a trial with a decent group of players. I have done the Keyes island trial 4 times and even when it felt like no one had a clue what was going on and the whole thing felt like a Cluster (insert expletive deleted of your choice) we managed to pull through and get a mission complete and all our Astrals and Empyreans.

And then there are the missions like the Lamdba I just left...

Everything started out fine. We cleared the streets outside, wiped out the courtyard, eliminated the turrent and defeated the Security guard. Then the glowies stage began....

[League] Tia Anker: why are there only 4 of us on nades [I asked this question after the 4 of us died taking out a weapons cache]
[League] XXOOOOO: cause I die if I go in there
[League] TM 03 Then die
[League] TM 03 It's better tan being a coward
[League] TM 03: Or, you know, a team leach ^_^
[League] XXOOOOO: uhm... no... just dieing, to get up, to die, is really quite pointless
[League] XXOOOOO: and uses a lot of insp
[League] Tia Anker: really and what if we all felt that way
[League] XXOOOOO if I was a tank, and I was planning on running and leaveing the squishy healer behind, I wouldn't care
[League] XXOOOOO: if the tanks really cared, they would out run us squishy guys
[League] XXOOOOOO: but seeing as how you might
need a res in a min, you'll be glad I'm there

For the record I died 3 times while located and detroying weapons crates for grenades and not Once did this clown tp me and rez me.. he was outside and had no idea if anyone was alive or dead. Plus everyone knows the hospital is in zone and has a combat nurse.. why let someone rez you when you can hit the hospital and resupply?

I was on my WP/DB Tanker Tia Anker the other names are switched to protect the innocent along with the guilty. XOOOO is a 50 level MM that was standing outside at the entrance where Maurader appears long before any team had completed its task. As you can see he felt it wasn't his responsibility to help with nades or Acids since he'd just die. Now I have done countless trials at this point on everything from an MM to a defender to a controller , a Crab spiders, a Widow, and my other Tank. I never just refused to go inside and hunt for glowies even if I knew it meant frequent trips to the hospital.. I figured if the mob was busy killing me maybe someone else was able to destroy the weapons container or containment chamber so we had more temps to play with.. That's called being a good team mate. Anyway despite our MM we managed to get all of the nades and acids and then....


[League] LL : Leave one or two Portals open till we get our bonus merit
[League] TM 01: WTH
[League] TM 02: You a__hole
[League] XXOOOO: think I'ma go drown myself in a bucket now
[League] Tia Anker: yeah that really helps me get merits to slot this toon I just started trials with her
[League] TM 02 Why weren't you helping us break stuff anyways? Why were you up here?
[League] LL : *sigh*
[League] Squad 0 Commander: seriously had no idea, really really sorry
[League] LL: We'll go again

Can you guess what that is a response to? Yeah the very same MM who refused to DIE to help out and spent the entire time waiting to dance, WITH HIS MINONS, in the cut scene managed to aggro Marauder and before we could even get outside and shut a single portal the trial failed because Maurader chased either him or his pets out the entrance. So not only did our so called HERO refuse to help out cause he'd just die and use a lot on inspirations up [you are a 50 level and the hospital is IN ZONE. If buying a few new inspirations sets you back that much you need to go run a few kill all ITFs and leave the trials to those of us that can afford to be here .. a catch a breath costs a whole 50 INF Sheesh] but he turned right around and cause they trial to fail so he could see his Avatar dancing behind Maurader in the cut scene [Just so those not already aware know.. that has stopped being cute a LONG LONG time ago and all you do is identify yourself as a selfish jerk instead of a good team mate].. BTW while I totally agree with that last statement I am just repeating what someone else said to a couple guys that HAD to boogy with Maurader in a different Lambda I was on recently. Its not just MY opinion its one that a number of players share and after today I am sure a few more joined the ranks.

You want a simple easy guide to a successful trial (any of them) okay...

1. PAY ATTENTION if the League leader says pull to the Norht wall on a BAF then get to the North wall and wait for the tank to bring the AV to you.

2. DO WHAT YOUR TOLD If you are assigned to the warehouse to find grenades on a LAMBDA don't go to the Lab and find acids cause you don;t like the other side or its too laggy there. I have been on lambda where 12 people were after acids and 4 were on nades .. and three of US, me included, were blasters.. Guess how many pacification grenades we sound up with? ( ZERO)

3. LEARN TO COUNT TO THREE and RECOGNIZE ALL THREE OF THOSE NUMBERS. I cant count how many times I have been on a BAF and the leader says Team 1 to North choke point, 2 and 3 SOUTH.. and a minute or less later team leaders from 2 and 3 are yelling at members to get them to the right side... HERE LET ME HELP YOU .. 1 <----this is a one 2 <----this is a two and 3 <----this is a three.

4. MOST TRIALS ONLY LAST A MAXIMUM OF ONE HOUR and are usually done much faster.. FOR 30 MINUTES TRY THINKING ABOUT SOMEONE ELSE BESIDES YOURSELF. Even if you don't manage to aggro the AV and cost the whole league by making the mission fail. There is nothing I personally find more annoying than dying with one of my squishies repeated while trying to get acids or nades and then after all of them are located discovering 4-5 members of the team that finished first goofying around behind and even in front of Maurader in the cut scene. Especially after the League Leader, and thier team leader specifically said to go help the other team. Makes me feel like I just died about 4 -5 times for their amusement. I NEVER do it myself and have always rushed to the other side when my team finished first.


I particularly love the MM's comments about tanks since I was on one during that mission. I was ahead of the team for the first 3 Weapons Containers sure.. They followed me to where it was because I KNEW where they all were and I attacked first so I absorbed the ALPHA strike instead of any squishy. And I had no level shifts as all since this Tanl only has a tier 2 ion Alpha and in Destiny so far. I BOUGHT IXP to open all the powers but have only had enough to slot those two so far. So my 50 (+0) tank was tanking hits from level 54s and this MM is yapping to me about dying. I was in the hospital 3 times and passed him twice on the way back in to DIE again HELPING my team.

Okay I needed that rant after that mission LOL

Anyone refusing to help the team need to be kicked at once.

Should have votekicked him when he did the "I'm waiting out here so I don't die" bit.

That said, I've seen dance accidents happen, and I tend to let it slide if the person doesn't know better, but the prior comment just makes them not worth the effort imo.

Perhaps if it was I'm waiting out here because I always LD on those maps, I'd be sympathetic.

Right after defeating the Security Guard, the league leader should make the announcement "If I see you in the Marauder cut scene, I will kick you immediately"

Vote to Kick is great..he would have been gone.
Every Lam I have formed, I specifically tell people before the EB, if anyone goes to dance in the cut scene, you get kicked. Only time I wont kick someone is if they happen to be running back from the hospital. I dont care if a persons team finishes their bit while the other is at 9/10..you STILL attempt to help.
Naturally, I always wait until said lazy person has used their temp powers before booting them.

Do what you are told sums up things quite well.

One caveat - Be sure you orders are clear. I've been on Trials were we failed because people didn't understand what the people barking orders where saying. Also, make sure people know who the leaders are, and make sure those leaders all know what their roles are. Having contradictory orders is a great way to fail.

A rather embarrassing failure came when, on a Lambda, the leaders gave orders based on a map he had of where the grenades and acids may spawn in. He (?) gave some very specific instructions, that completely confused many others who did not have that map (myself included.)

It only got worse when our team leader used Grant Invisibility on our teams, and told us to just go for the acids - which was a real issue, because while I had no idea what the directions that Leaders barked out meant, I did know that our team (team 3) was supposed to concentrate on Grenades.

Yeah, this trial was a fiasco from start to finish, and I can't say the inevitable loss was a surprise.

I can't understand why anyone is bothered about dying anyway? It's not like there's a long corpse-run or negative XP or whatever. It's trivial.

Eco

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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow [The Incarnate System is] Jack Emmert all over again, only this time it's not "1 hero = 3 white minions" it's "1 hero = 3 white rocks."

I have no problem calling people out if they decide to stand out during the warehouse/lab part of Lambda so they can be "on spot" to crash the cut scene.

At least now we have the ability to begin a vote to kick.

Last night we had 4 people in lab, 3 squishies and a brute, and we were running out of time. The clock got under one minute while we desperately tried to get enough acids. I got caught in some unfriendly fire, and died, leaving only 3. I raced to the hospital...

And I saw 3 people standing in the door and 3 people in the cutscene spot.

Me: <name1>, <name2>, <name3>, help in lab, you three
Me: also the 3 @$$holes in the cutscene
Me: we need help in lab, stop slacking
League Leader: be nice, leandro. i figured they'd have the last one before we could get there

Two of the players in the cutscene moved to help, but one of them just stayed there without giving a darn. This is why I have a strict "you're goofing around in the cutscene, you're kicked" policy, and I announce it clearly.

<Votes to kick the Tanker/Scrapper/Brute who runs up to Nightstar or Siege who *is already being successfully pulled* and then slows them down with a Taunt, cause, you know, THEY HAVE RANGED ATTACKS AND WILL **STOP** TO ATTACK YOU!!!>

<Votes to kick the Ranged Attacker who hits Marauder from a distance to 'pull him' while we're all buffing up causing his entire spawn to stretch out across the entire courtyard ensuring a lengthy and chaotic battle instead of INSTA-KILLING THE WHOLE FREAKIN' SPAWN WITH 24 JUDGEMENT ATTACKS IN 2 SECONDS!!!>

I'm a blaster and I have no problem taking point on Acids or Nades. I know where they all are, and I can usually get through at least half of them before my insp runs out, and that's if the team is split. I've done plenty where I've gone all the way through with no trouble. Being a squishy is no excuse. He was a poor player, period.

I'll admit I recently cutscene-bombed maurader, but that's after getting all 10 nades, and the other team had 9 acids, with 8 mins to go, I figured they had it under control, and I thought it would make a good screenshot