New bugs with the Steampunk pack
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Posted on: 2011-06-28 11:55 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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I posted a thread on this in the Training Room forums about a week ago, as it so happens: http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?t=263845|
Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
I went about four pages back in time and found the old "Bugs with the Steampack" thread, but figured that a lot of those should have been fixed and so resurrecting that wasn't useful. So I thought I'd make a new one.
So far, I have only one bug to report. Though the Victorian chest piece for women appears to indeed have been fixed so it doesn't clip with jackets, it now clips with the character's breasts, and in a rather ugly manner. I don't think I've nudged the chest slider too high on this character (in fact, I think it's below middle - she's supposed to be a kid), but even so the chest piece clips with her chest just below her clavicles. I haven't had time to play around with the rest of the options quite yet, so I couldn't tell you if anything else is wrong, but I figure if it is, we should collect those in the same thread like before. |
Also, as it so happens, I PM'd Noble Savage about this not long after that. He said that the Art Team had fixed it, internally. It didn't make the patch after that - nor does it appear to have gone with the push Live. We ought to be seeing it somewhat soon-ish, in either case. I hope!
It doesn't just clip with the breasts, it clips at the back too. An excellent piece of work really, considering it used to work fine, except with jackets. So they fixed it by making it entirely useless?
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Thanks for restarting his thread.
Additional stuff about the Victorian chest detail: if you start a new alt using the Victorian Costume Set there is no clipping on the corset.
Now, how about the "Here Today/ Gone Later Today?"
Female
* Added choker without cameo
Originally I was going to post a note about not finding that choker, but while double checking the path (using the premade Victorian Steampunk Costume Set - it's in Head/Details2) it was there! Suddenly! Okaaay... SO I decide to remodel one of my characters with it - and it's gone.
Now that's interesting. I fiddle about in the costume creator -
If I start with the female Victorian Steampunk Costume Set, I have access to the Choker without cameo (Victorian Steampunk 02) as well as the original (Victorian Steampunk 01). But I can't get the new Choker without the cameo if I am using one of my 'custom' costumes. And who doesn't use all-custom costumes?.
I checked the other Costume sets - some have access to both chokers, and some have access to only one. And Classic Steampunk Costume set only has access to the original choker(!). Was the new choker without the cameo given a different 'status' than the original choker, so it's deemed incompatible with certain costume pieces?
That whole mess has me wondering about my next item -
From the patch notes:
Female
* Added extra hats
"Extra hats"? It looks like all the usual hats (including the one female Steampunk item) but I could be confusioning myself with this one. Has anyone seen any additional female (apparently Steampunk) hats?
We're currently investigating the issue with clipping and the corset piece and will ask for clarification on the other points.
Thanks
- Z
Andy Belford
Community Manager
Paragon Studios
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Checked. First point doesn't hold water. The corset clips no matter *what* you start with. The only thing I can think of is that you were looking at the base set itself - which adds the Victorian Jacket, as well. The corset doesn't clip with jackets or trenchcoats - that's what was 'fixed'. In the process, however, it began clipping with the body under every *other* category.|
Originally Posted by Z3NZEN
Thanks for restarting his thread.
Additional stuff about the Victorian chest detail: if you start a new alt using the Victorian Costume Set there is no clipping on the corset. Now, how about the "Here Today/ Gone Later Today?" Female * Added choker without cameo Originally I was going to post a note about not finding that choker, but while double checking the path (using the premade Victorian Steampunk Costume Set - it's in Head/Details2) it was there! Suddenly! Okaaay... SO I decide to remodel one of my characters with it - and it's gone. Now that's interesting. I fiddle about in the costume creator - If I start with the female Victorian Steampunk Costume Set, I have access to the Choker without cameo (Victorian Steampunk 02) as well as the original (Victorian Steampunk 01). But I can't get the new Choker without the cameo if I am using one of my 'custom' costumes. And who doesn't use all-custom costumes?. I checked the other Costume sets - some have access to both chokers, and some have access to only one. And Classic Steampunk Costume set only has access to the original choker(!). Was the new choker without the cameo given a different 'status' than the original choker, so it's deemed incompatible with certain costume pieces? |
Supposedly, this has been fixed internally and simply not yet patched.
With Victorian COllar 02... I was able to bring this up whether I started with the Victorian set or not. Are you trying to use it with any category other than Standard for the heads? Because it shows up under Standard - but is known (supposedly, again) to be missing from every other category.
I hope our costume folk are working on something *really* big to have let these kinds of things slide.
Edit: FPARN! It only took six years to pop *that* cherry.
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Yes, I was using the Standard /default Victorian Costume Set for my observation, and did not remember that there is the tiniest jacket which is a jacket anyway. Point taken, observation withdrawn, indeed it is a sieve and leaks like one.|
Originally Posted by Catministrator
Checked. First point doesn't hold water. The corset clips no matter *what* you start with. The only thing I can think of is that you were looking at the base set itself - which adds the Victorian Jacket, as well. The corset doesn't clip with jackets or trenchcoats - that's what was 'fixed'. In the process, however, it began clipping with the body under every *other* category.
Supposedly, this has been fixed internally and simply not yet patched. With Victorian COllar 02... I was able to bring this up whether I started with the Victorian set or not. Are you trying to use it with any category other than Standard for the heads? Because it shows up under Standard - but is known (supposedly, again) to be missing from every other category. I hope our costume folk are working on something *really* big to have let these kinds of things slide. |
As for the Victorian Choker with/without Cameo -- I didn't touch a thing with the premade Costume Sets. If they were standard head, they were standard, and if they were with hats or helmets, that's the way I tried them. If that's a known problem, well, I didn't know it
I don't read the test or beta forums. I barely make it here.Glad to know that this was seen and apparently reported earlier.
And yes, the next costume bonanza had better be ginormous to excuse these sorts of oopsies sliding onto Live.
Thanks
1. The corsets clip all over the bosom area. If you move the chest slider up or down, or the physique slider up or down, it doesn't matter. It still clips badly, even at the underside of the breast. The corset hasn't been adjust under the arms, it still juts way out - it looks like the only place the corset's been minimized the breast area, which is the one place it had been fine. The Victorian belts clip more than they had, too. (I used to have to cinch the waist way in to get a smooth line on the top edge of the belt. However, I also thought that was appropriate, and fairly cleverly done of you, too!) Now, regardless of where the slider is, the top edge of the belt clips a bit above the clock.
2. I also tried the corset (and bustier, just to see) with a variety of outerwear (trench, magic bolero, jacket - still unwearable with any of these.
3. When I have logged into any of my character wearing the steampunk boots, the colors have been changed. on 2) characters, tall black boots with red toe/heel are now bright red up the leg, and the toe/heel is black. On another toon with the shorter boots, the trim color was garishly brighter. Also, the skirt color no longer matches the top color, either. The skirt is even darker than it had been. Even outfits which I'd made the skirt one shade lighter to better match the top, are now again a shade darker.
The above changes all show up on the character select as well as when I log onto the character - the inverted colors, clipping, and changes in hue.
Though I did not check the chokers, I looked at everything else, and found no other new costume bits or hats. Only the two-color Victorian hair was new. Oh, and the peek-a-boo corset
Good luck with the bug fixes - this must be far more frustrating for you guys than it is for us.
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You know, I didn't even think to look and see which head category the pre-set outfit uses. |
Originally Posted by Z3NZEN
Yes, I was using the Standard /default Victorian Costume Set for my observation, and did not remember that there is the tiniest jacket which is a jacket anyway. Point taken, observation withdrawn, indeed it is a sieve and leaks like one.
As for the Victorian Choker with/without Cameo -- I didn't touch a thing with the premade Costume Sets. If they were standard head, they were standard, and if they were with hats or helmets, that's the way I tried them. If that's a known problem, well, I didn't know it I don't read the test or beta forums. I barely make it here.Glad to know that this was seen and apparently reported earlier. And yes, the next costume bonanza had better be ginormous to excuse these sorts of oopsies sliding onto Live. Thanks |
To the tailor!
Edit: Okay! So, the 'Classic Steampunk' preset uses the 'Hat' category - and the choker doesn't show up with it. The 'Victorian Steampunk', however, uses the Standard category - which is why it shows up on that one.
Edit: Nudge to Zwillinger: While you're over there, I don't suppose you could inquire about the 'Clockwork' chest decal clipping with larger chest sliders for the female models, could you?
I haven't tested this with other categories, but my Male character with Baggy Warrior pants keeps getting switched to Classic Steampunk whenever I go to a tailor. I think I saw something else where a part got swapped, but I can't remember which one. Manually resetting the swapped costume part removes the fee for changing it, so it's not like having a legacy part replaced with a new version.
@Roderick
I'm not sure if that's a bug, but Nuclear Toast reported that his Steampunk Jacket colours swapped when he went to the tailor, primary acting as secondary and secondary acting as primary, "breaking" his costume. Also, it seems that people who had the original Steampunk jacket on a Male character are getting defaulted to a Steampunk jacket without the ascot, even though the original Steampunk jacket still exists.
As for apparently missing options, that may be a bug with the category arrows. For some reason, those could sometimes skip options in the list for no reason. I had that happen to me with gloves yesterday. I'd go from Monster to Zombie 1 to Zombie 2 STRAIGHT to Spiked gloves, skipping Smooth, Flared and Finned. Hitting the back arrow took me back to Zombie and hitting the forward arrow took me forward to Spiked. I had to open the dropdown list, select Smooth manually, and only THEN the arrows worked correctly.
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
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The jacket color swap happened to me too. Primary and Secondary colors were reversed; needed a trip to the Tailor to fix. Also, same character had been switched to a bare chest, which also needed to be fixed. I worry that if they fix the bugs, I will have to go back and fix all this again.
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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
I'm not sure if that's a bug, but Nuclear Toast reported that his Steampunk Jacket colours swapped when he went to the tailor, primary acting as secondary and secondary acting as primary, "breaking" his costume. Also, it seems that people who had the original Steampunk jacket on a Male character are getting defaulted to a Steampunk jacket without the ascot, even though the original Steampunk jacket still exists.
As for apparently missing options, that may be a bug with the category arrows. For some reason, those could sometimes skip options in the list for no reason. I had that happen to me with gloves yesterday. I'd go from Monster to Zombie 1 to Zombie 2 STRAIGHT to Spiked gloves, skipping Smooth, Flared and Finned. Hitting the back arrow took me back to Zombie and hitting the forward arrow took me forward to Spiked. I had to open the dropdown list, select Smooth manually, and only THEN the arrows worked correctly. |
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This kind of thing is not uncommon. Every time I go to the tailors on my DP Corruptor I have to reset her right-hand gun from the default one to the one she actually uses, which the system knows she had because the price becoems zero, but it refuses to actually set it to.|
Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
Also, it seems that people who had the original Steampunk jacket on a Male character are getting defaulted to a Steampunk jacket without the ascot, even though the original Steampunk jacket still exists.
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I suppose I should bug irritatingly stupid, patently simple things like this every time I see them, thus clogging their in-tray and raising the priority, but I'm a programmer an can't bring myself to do it.
Equally, as a programmer, the clipping issue on that bodice makes me question whether they even vaguely attempt regression tests at Paragon Studios.
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Rushmore's Memorial day overcoat (Victorian Jacket with no waistcoat) was black on logging in the other day, had to go and sort that out. Hochstapler's corset is attempting with some success to burrow under the skin of her breasts and back. I've not checked Isaiah Creed's jacket yet.
Could we get some costume tokens for the issues here and the fact that we've needed to fix them with inf/tokens of our own?
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Ah, yes, there was that, as well. You're not the first person to ask for costume tokens to fix newly-broken costumes. And this isn't a case where the person could just wait for a post-fix fix, since as far as I can tell, the Steampunk Jacket is working as intended. And even if the colours are reversed, then the people who swapped will end up broken.|
Originally Posted by Zortel
Could we get some costume tokens for the issues here and the fact that we've needed to fix them with inf/tokens of our own?
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I don't think we've had free costume swap tokens for pretty much anything in quite some time, actually. All my old characters have something like 40 or 50, but all characters newer than about 2008 have only the default 11 that I have between all my veteran rewards.
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.
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If I understand correctly (and I may not), the costume creator doesn't have flags like what you're talking about. New costume pieces must be added by hand to every menu and sub-menu, which is why most of the menus are in different orders, and why some things exist in one menu but not another (even though there's no clipping involved and the item should be there.) The costume creator is A MESS and I would gladly volunteer my personal free time to clean it up and reorganize it, if I had the software/programming skills to do so. Every time they add new costume pieces it gets worse and worse. |
Originally Posted by Z3NZEN
Thanks for restarting his thread.
I checked the other Costume sets - some have access to both chokers, and some have access to only one. And Classic Steampunk Costume set only has access to the original choker(!). Was the new choker without the cameo given a different 'status' than the original choker, so it's deemed incompatible with certain costume pieces? [...] * Added extra hats "Extra hats"? It looks like all the usual hats (including the one female Steampunk item) but I could be confusioning myself with this one. Has anyone seen any additional female (apparently Steampunk) hats? |
So for shoulders, if I want the villain pieces do I just hit the back arrow? I can't remember because I think belts are in reverse order from shoulders, with villain stuff first and then hero stuff later. Or maybe it's the other way around. As much time as I spend in the costume creator (and it's A LOT of time), I still have a hard time remembering which menus are in which order, and where to find stuff. Some menus have the witch costume pieces at the end, while in others they're towards the beginning. Steampunk stuff is all over the place. It's obnoxious. I know it's a beast to clean up but if we don't have time NOW, when will we have time? After another thousand costume bits have been added to the game?
Sigh.
Oh and the hats, yes I'd like to know this too please! I've not searched for them yet.. are there maybe multiple options under the existing hat? Are there supposed to be more hats in the upper level hat menu?
edit: I think belts go hero first then villain, and shoulders go villain then hero. Because that makes total sense!
The Victorian Steampunk boots clip with pencil skirts. Is there a way to fix this?
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Also wanted to show (one more time) that the boots STILL haven't been fixed.
Under tucked in, they look fine but all other leg types, the color is off.. a layer is missing as you can see, you can only use one color and the brass coloring is off severely..
On the left is what I was referring to, and this is for both style of boots, you can only use one color and they look extremely off. This only occurs under any boot options except tucked in.
Also, while its not as big of a deal, I would like it if they just stretched the new collars out just a little to compensate for other coat collars, that way they won't blend in and we could use them for other coat options. They also need to be bent a little more in the back, there is a fairly large gap.
there is still no option for the female boots in "tucked in" menu. This would be nice if it was fixed.
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Ding ding, both things happened to my character, had to "fix" them both. Bugged it, too.|
Originally Posted by Stealth_Bomber
The jacket color swap happened to me too. Primary and Secondary colors were reversed; needed a trip to the Tailor to fix. Also, same character had been switched to a bare chest, which also needed to be fixed. I worry that if they fix the bugs, I will have to go back and fix all this again.
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Ugh, bumping this because the new clipping with the corset is NOT cool. I do NOT want to walk around with my characters breasts showing :| This needs to be a hotfix, seriously.
Seriously, I have a whole character I can't even play right now without wincing because ALL her costumes use that corset. Please, can we get an update and a hotfix? Pretty pretty please?
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Yeah, I'd definitely want to hear some news about that. I was lucky to have put my Victorian Dress lady on hiatus before the update came, but I'd be might upset if I were still playing her, too.
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Originally Posted by Feycat
Bumping again. Seriously, I have a whole character I can't even play right now without wincing because ALL her costumes use that corset. Please, can we get an update and a hotfix? Pretty pretty please?
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.
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Have you guys taken those characters back into the tailor since the patch that was suppose to fix the clipping? When I did that with my character using the Classic Steampunk chest detail and mini vest the chest detail disappeared, after re-selecting it I haven't had any clipping issues.
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Yeah, I did. The corset still does the weird boob-clipping and the back and sides are out of whack. The only thing that seems to fix it is to wear the jacket over it :-/
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Originally Posted by Shadow State
Have you guys taken those characters back into the tailor since the patch that was suppose to fix the clipping? When I did that with my character using the Classic Steampunk chest detail and mini vest the chest detail disappeared, after re-selecting it I haven't had any clipping issues.
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I went about four pages back in time and found the old "Bugs with the Steampack" thread, but figured that a lot of those should have been fixed and so resurrecting that wasn't useful. So I thought I'd make a new one.
So far, I have only one bug to report. Though the Victorian chest piece for women appears to indeed have been fixed so it doesn't clip with jackets, it now clips with the character's breasts, and in a rather ugly manner. I don't think I've nudged the chest slider too high on this character (in fact, I think it's below middle - she's supposed to be a kid), but even so the chest piece clips with her chest just below her clavicles.
I haven't had time to play around with the rest of the options quite yet, so I couldn't tell you if anything else is wrong, but I figure if it is, we should collect those in the same thread like before.