Contradictory Info on Premium Access to Incarnates
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Posted on: 2011-06-23 08:25 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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Originally Posted by Johnny_Butane
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I've been working doubles lately, so I don't get to read the forums too often. If I choose to quote something a day old in the same thread, I will do so. What's the problem?
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Originally Posted by Nethergoat
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You're looking at Premium the wrong way. What it is intended to be is a thank you to people who have already subscribed in the past. It allows them to continue playing for free if they have to (though in an understandably restricted way. Have to differentiate between free and paid subs) Players don't lose anything their accounts already have to the aether, which is the best thing about it.|
Originally Posted by Haetron
This situation has convinced me to just ignore everything being said and wait for launch. It's too far off, too early, and too much could change. The conflicting information isn't helping. We're just in a situation of who said what most recently.
I will say that with this backpedal on "Owning Going Rogue and keeping the things you paid for" (or legalese swapping when you have examples like "You still have it, you just can't use it!") that I don't think the premium plan is going to be anywhere as attractive as initially shown. Which is fine, it's a business, they have to make money, they can't give the house away for free. |
Having and using are two very different things, and that's the line they've drawn with the Premium/VIP boundary. There is nothing sinister about that.
Loose --> not tight.
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Loose --> not tight.
Lose --> Did not win, misplace, cannot find, subtract.
One extra 'o' makes a big difference.
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Maybe they don't like teams of free fire/kin controllers farming. |
Originally Posted by Johnny_Butane
-Removing Controllers from play leaves Dominators the only control AT, as opposed to the FOUR melee damage ATs that already step all over each other.
-Controllers are no more pet-heavy than Doms, and even some kinds of Defenders and Blasters. |
They seem ok with premiums paying to unlock controllers though.
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This seems more likely why they limited controllers for Free accounts.
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Originally Posted by Pebblebrook
Maybe they don't like teams of free fire/kin controllers farming.
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Having GR access is not going to grant Incarnates in the future, much like how Architect Edition and City of Villains are not the ones granting access to those aspects of the game. Incarnates will be accessed when one comes to have VIP status, much like how AE is also locked behind VIP status.
I actually asked Zwillinger in-game about this, more so about AE edition as I currently have one physical copy of it, one digital copy, and a digital copy I have used. If I use AE edition on a second toon come freedom, it will not have access to AE when he is down at premium level. I assume this will be the case for Going Rogue=>Access to Incarnates aswell when FREEdom hits.
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I bet showing up on her doorstep, naked, with a rose in your teeth would do it.
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Someone would be bound to get shocked, although I would be betting on the one on the opposite end from my taser.
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this is very good advice.
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Originally Posted by Haetron
This situation has convinced me to just ignore everything being said and wait for launch.
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I currently pay for 2 accounts. My own and my brother who is going through hard times. Been doing it for a few months now and if the option was there that I could stop while he was able to keep playing, I'd take it. Freedom has opened that door. However, we like doing lvl 50+ stuff and if Incarnate stuff was kept away from those who bought GR for that reason, we would have to stop or I'd have to keep paying. So, Yes, on one of the accounts I'm paying for I was going to let lapse to Premium status. |
Originally Posted by Bloodspeaker
So you plan on letting your subscription lapse?
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Honestly, we both bought GR for the incarnate stuff. We didn't care about the new starter zone or the side switching (both are nice but could have done without) but to do more with the toons we already made. So what did spending $80 on two copies of GR get us? If we go F2P we get 2 extra slots and if we don't then what? Nothing? What did the GR purchasers get to keep that is not being given out to the F2P audience?
That is simply a bad decision in my book and makes our GR purchase totally not worth it. Especially since only a few months later it it all becomes free to subscribers. I remember a time when it was "Those who did not buy GR would not have access to incarnate stuff". Now it's "It doesn't matter if you bought GR or not. As long as you are a subscriber, you get access to incarnate stuff"
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Ok, remind me: When the AE edition of City of Heroes come out, was it stated ANYWHERE that if one did not purchase a copy of the AE edition of City of Heroes that they would not get access to AE or any of it's features?|
Originally Posted by War-Nugget
Having GR access is not going to grant Incarnates in the future, much like how Architect Edition and City of Villains are not the ones granting access to those aspects of the game. Incarnates will be accessed when one comes to have VIP status, much like how AE is also locked behind VIP status.
I actually asked Zwillinger in-game about this, more so about AE edition as I currently have one physical copy of it, one digital copy, and a digital copy I have used. If I use AE edition on a second toon come freedom, it will not have access to AE when he is down at premium level. I assume this will be the case for Going Rogue=>Access to Incarnates aswell when FREEdom hits. |
Cause if so, then my account is bugged as I did not buy a copy yet have been playing AE all along.
OR is my friend's account buggy cause he did not purchase GR and does not have access to Incarnates.
Point is they said "If you buy this, you would have this." Now it's "We're changing the rules to improve our income so that offer from before is no longer valid. It's now this. Take it or leave it."
Not trying to flame or anything but you can only compare apples to apples. Not to sour grapes. AE edition is not the same as GR in any respect.
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So would you say that you bought access to the incarnates by buying going rogue? Similar to getting access to Praetoria, tip missions, and 1-20 Praetoria arc? Why are we losing that access?
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Originally Posted by kingofsnake
As I remember it Incarnate stuff wasn't actually included with Going Rogue at release
Buying Going Rouge gave you access to Praetoria, Tip/morality missions, and the 1-20 Praetorian arc. Then they released Incarnates, which you could only access buy owning Going Rouge. |
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The AE Edition was a 'celebration' of the AE, not access to it.
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If you want to know if you bought access to something specific, stop subscribing and see if you still have access. If you do, you did. If not, you didn't.|
Originally Posted by TigerKnight
So would you say that you bought access to the incarnates by buying going rogue? Similar to getting access to Praetoria, tip missions, and 1-20 Praetoria arc? Why are we losing that access?
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We purchased unlocks for many things. We never purchased on-going access itself for anything. Of all the things I thought were going to be mangled up by the playerbase upon the announcement of City of Heroes Freedom - and I thought a lot of them would be - I really didn't give this one enough credit. I always assumed it was fairly obvious that we buy things, but we rent access.
It makes you wonder: if Cryptic launched the hybrid model soon after the release of CoV, would people be saying that the devs could lock Peregrine Island if they wanted to because that came with Issue 1 and we didn't buy that, but the whole entirety of the villain content was something we bought with that one red box, and therefore we should be entitled to all of that content everywhere because we now owned it.
That's rhetorical. I don't actually believe I need to guess.
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That x is required to use y does not mean that the purchase of x includes y, otherwise the RMV would owe me a car. If the description of the Pre-Perchase/Complete Edition didn't include Incarnates, which to my knowledge neither does, then Incarnates weren't a part of that sale.
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Originally Posted by TigerKnight
So would you say that you bought access to the incarnates by buying going rogue? Similar to getting access to Praetoria, tip missions, and 1-20 Praetoria arc? Why are we losing that access?
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because you are no longer paying the subscription fee. pre freedom had you purchased gr and then ceased paying, you would have lost access to all game content until you resumed paying. this does not change, what has changed is that even if you stop paying, something which previously meant an entire end of your account, outside of welcome back weekends, you still have access to all of the basic content, from 1-50.
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Originally Posted by TigerKnight
So would you say that you bought access to the incarnates by buying going rogue? Similar to getting access to Praetoria, tip missions, and 1-20 Praetoria arc? Why are we losing that access?
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Masterminds and Controllers were determined to be the most performance impacting archetypes of the 10 basics, which is why they were limited to help reduce some server load from the additional free players without them paying some money. I'd imagine some Dominators and some specific Defender power-set combos COULD potentially be as or more intensive than some specific Controllers, especially Dominators.
I'll bet the decided to gate the Masterminds, then in an effort to head off the 'Devs Hate Villains' posts that would inevitably come up they gated the heaviest blue-side archetype, Controllers, for parity.
Either way, while I would love to have everything in the game for free, we're not losing anything that we get now for the same cost as we're paying now, but instead getting a bit more. Some new stuff in the future may have a cost aspect, but I doubt we're going to get around that one. We also get 36 more levels of playing on 8 ATs that are still just as good as before for paying nothing.
My gut reaction when they first announced Freedom was 'uh oh' but after reading the details, it sounds like they are implementing it well, or at least intend to as of now (the actual implementation is yet to be seen fully). I'm not seeing a downside to the changes yet personally. New players and trial players can come in and play for free, which is good. Returning people can come back for free and play most of what they could before, good. Paying players can pay as little or much as they want for what they want without a sub, or pay the same fee as of now now and get more, good.
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All the AE edition release was a box refresh with an updated disk, and an attempt to reinvigorate the game by putting a fresh box on the shelves. It was never intended to gate the AE content in any way. Basically they hadn't made an updated disk for several years at that point (issue 7 or 8 I believe with the Good vs Evil edition) and the AE was issue 14.
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Originally Posted by TigerKnight
Ok, remind me: When the AE edition of City of Heroes come out, was it stated ANYWHERE that if one did not purchase a copy of the AE edition of City of Heroes that they would not get access to AE or any of it's features?
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Let me (hopefully not) be the first to say: that blows.|
Originally Posted by Zwillinger
I have been advised that if you let your VIP status lapse you will lose access to these abilities. You won't lose the ability itself, however it will not be usable.
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I don't think that's the part that is causing a disconnect because it's like comparing apples (pre-freedom) to oranges (post-freedom). For the sake of discussion, let's set aside the subcription for a sec and just say login instead.|
Originally Posted by Arcanaville
If you want to know if you bought access to something specific, stop subscribing and see if you still have access. If you do, you did. If not, you didn't.
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Givens: Bought GR.
If you (subscriber) log in to the game pre-freedom, do you lose incarnate abilities? No
If you (Premium) log in to the game post-freedom, do you lose incarnate abilities? Yes
Yes, you can't login to the game if you unsub now, but technically (if you login during a reactivation promo but don't pay a sub, for instance) you don't lose incarnate abilities.
The way i see it, losing incarnate abilities is a bit arbitrary because incarnate content is one of the big things the devs can use to compel current subscribers from unsubbing to premium once freedom hits.
And they don't want to lose those current subscription revenues to freedom's premium tier. At least in the beginning when freedom's mtx revenue is still an unknown.
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Originally Posted by johnny_butane
people have a really eff'd up perspective.
Now: You stop paying them money each month, you lose access to your incarnate powers, mastermind and...oh...everything. Because they cut you off from the server. You can have paid all you want for going rogue. You don't pay the monthly sub, you don't get to use it. All those costume boosters you paid for? Worthless without the game. Future: You stop paying them money each month you lose access to your incarnate powers, mastermind and some other things...but you get to keep access to a bunch of other stuff, including the servers. As opposed to now where you retain access to nothing if you stop paying. Having access to some things while not paying is better than having access to nothing while not paying. Period. . |
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Originally Posted by Aquila_NA
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Not quite true during reactivation weekends. During those promo days, is the closest comparison we can use to set the scenario for post-freedom since both subscribers and non-subscribers (reactivated) can log in to the game.
But the reactivated accounts don't lose access to anything. Post-freedom, all (non-paying) accounts will essentially be reactivated accounts but with limitations.
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