Thoughts on City of Heroes Freedom
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Posted on: 2011-06-22 21:20 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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Originally Posted by Gilfred
I just hope that NCSoft has done it's homework on this hybrid model. Otherwise they could kill this game, if they were to put truly game changing items in the shop. Ones that would give players that have the extra cash, unfair advantages over the ones that do not have that kind of cash. Even though it is an exciting time, I am still going to be looking carefully how this plays out.
I am looking forward to more information on this. I still do not know what I would lose if my account went to premium. Because there have been times in the close to five years I have been playing, where I had to let my sub lapse. So if I have to do it again, I am still not clear as to what I would be losing. I know that they have said whatever you have unlocked on your account you keep as premium, also what you have bought. Also I would like to have a way of seeing either in game or at my account screen, what I would have if my account were to switch to premium. With that information I could make informed decisions on the best way to spend my paragon points. Let's say I have a total of about 30 characters. How many slots will I have available on my account? What characters would not be available? How would the available characters be chosen? Meaning I hope that NCSoft, will give us the players the information we need to make good informed decisions continues with spending paragon points. |
Read the FAQ, and the comparison page...all your questions that have answers already decided are answered there.
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I think it is a good idea but then I listened to today's ustream. Are they actually thinking of charging people for powers (not like ninja run or self destruct but ATs and their powers)?? That is concerning.
I hope the new content is not a re-hash of what we already have (like they've been doing for years). They also promise way more content but that is pointless if it's just the same crap in a new wrapper.
Anyway, there's a Star Wars game on the horizon and if this game doesn't deliver with FREEDOM (and the promised ton of new content etc) then it might be time to leave the City.
Yes, you can all have my stuff if that happens. Just wait here 
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It will need a hybrid sub model too - although the 9 figure budget means that could be kinda tricky - expect lifeitme subs at the start for a quick return on the investment, then a tierd sub plan and item shop a little later on |
Originally Posted by TheJazMan
there's a Star Wars game on the horizon
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You know you can get to 50 and get Incarnate stuff on SOs right? And really, one player having an advantage over another in a heavily based PvE game is? Oh right, meaningless. The wide differences of one build versus another already exist unless you have been blind to a level 50 slotted with SOs trying to compare to a level 50(+1) with a 10 billion influ/infamy build. Locking things like purples is F2P 101 type of stuff. It doesn't seem to be hurting DDO, or LotRO.
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Originally Posted by Gilfred
I just hope that NCSoft has done it's homework on this hybrid model. Otherwise they could kill this game, if they were to put truly game changing items in the shop. Ones that would give players that have the extra cash, unfair advantages over the ones that do not have that kind of cash.
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Comments like this always confuse me.|
Originally Posted by TheJazMan
I hope the new content is not a re-hash of what we already have (like they've been doing for years). They also promise way more content but that is pointless if it's just the same crap in a new wrapper.
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What would the Devs have to do to make content not be a "rehash" in your mind?
When you get right down to it, MMO's all have very similar game play. Kill mobs, get points, level up, kill more mobs, etc. etc. The only thing that changes much from game to game is the scenery and the method of the mob killing.
This isn't a flame, I genuinely want to know what a game developer would have to do for content to not be "the same crap in a different wrapper" as you put it.
I dont like how everyone gets GR free. I payed for my GR and i think we should get are money back or a free month of game play or something. Its not right to have people pay for somthing then just give it out free to everyone 
Thats BS and thay need to do something for the people who payed for it.
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Originally Posted by REDRUM
I dont like how everyone gets GR free. I payed for my GR and i think we should get are money back or a free month of game play or something. Its not right to have people pay for somthing then just give it out free to everyone
Thats BS and thay need to do something for the people who payed for it. |
I swear I see a rant like this every single time a game goes Free To Play.
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You had it for a full year before anyone got it free. That's what you paid for.|
Originally Posted by REDRUM
I dont like how everyone gets GR free. I payed for my GR and i think we should get are money back or a free month of game play or something. Its not right to have people pay for somthing then just give it out free to everyone
Thats BS and thay need to do something for the people who payed for it. |
They did the same thing with City of Villains actually.
You should have expected this to happen.
TLDR; you get nothing.
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It's the whole entitlement issue since people think they are somehow a special little snowflake.
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Originally Posted by Chaos Creator
You had it for a full year before anyone got it free. That's what you paid for.
They did the same thing with City of Villains actually. You should have expected this to happen. TLDR; you get nothing. |
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Originally Posted by Nightphall
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I swear I see a rant like this every single time a game goes Free To Play. |
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Originally Posted by Chaos Creator
You had it for a full year before anyone got it free. That's what you paid for.
They did the same thing with City of Villains actually. You should have expected this to happen. TLDR; you get nothing. |
I don't think he was here a year ago. I think he may be a new player that's having buyers remorse because if he waited a few more months he could play for free, but thems the breaks.
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I will go check those pages again. But when I first read it I did not see it say that the two archetypes that the free players will not get are Controllers and Masterminds. Where the clarity is not at is how many slots my account will have. I am not sure just how many slots my account has unlocked. |
Originally Posted by Furio
Read the FAQ, and the comparison page...all your questions that have answers already decided are answered there.
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Also what rewards will be in there to chose from? How are they going to be way better than the older vet rewards without being game breaking?
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Look I was giving an example, I was trying to say if a player had the extra cash and could buy a power, enhancement set. That could make them like gods throughout all levels. There are those that are competitive and like to compete with others. How can two players that are playing on a free account compete if one has more money to buy said powers, enhancement sets.|
Originally Posted by Amy_Amp
You know you can get to 50 and get Incarnate stuff on SOs right? And really, one player having an advantage over another in a heavily based PvE game is? Oh right, meaningless. The wide differences of one build versus another already exist unless you have been blind to a level 50 slotted with SOs trying to compare to a level 50(+1) with a 10 billion influ/infamy build. Locking things like purples is F2P 101 type of stuff. It doesn't seem to be hurting DDO, or LotRO.
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Also you have to remember that some do PvP in this game as well. Things like that could break the balance in this game. So that the devs would have to tune the game for those god powers. Making it harder for those that cannot get them.
I am not talking about just those things that affect incarnates. I am talking across the leveling portion of the game.
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If you bought GR, my understanding is you still have access to Praetoria then as a premium player. So even if your sub lapses, you do have a perk that those who did not buy the expansion now have.
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Actually I have been playing for about five years on and off. So I am just wanting a way to easily tell what is unlocked and what is not. Even if it is in the store, you go there to purchase slots and instantly you see just how many slots you have unlocked. Things like that.
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Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
I don't think he was here a year ago. I think he may be a new player that's having buyers remorse because if he waited a few more months he could play for free, but thems the breaks.
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Paragon Studios is using (thus far anyway) the same model for F2P that Turbine uses for their games. I play both of those as well, one as a F2P that has bought some points and the other as a lifetime sub. That makes me a Premium account and a VIP account respectively.|
Originally Posted by Gilfred
I just hope that NCSoft has done it's homework on this hybrid model. Otherwise they could kill this game, if they were to put truly game changing items in the shop. Ones that would give players that have the extra cash, unfair advantages over the ones that do not have that kind of cash. Even though it is an exciting time, I am still going to be looking carefully how this plays out.
I am looking forward to more information on this. I still do not know what I would lose if my account went to premium. Because there have been times in the close to five years I have been playing, where I had to let my sub lapse. So if I have to do it again, I am still not clear as to what I would be losing. I know that they have said whatever you have unlocked on your account you keep as premium, also what you have bought. Also I would like to have a way of seeing either in game or at my account screen, what I would have if my account were to switch to premium. With that information I could make informed decisions on the best way to spend my paragon points. Let's say I have a total of about 30 characters. How many slots will I have available on my account? What characters would not be available? How would the available characters be chosen? Meaning I hope that NCSoft, will give us the players the information we need to make good informed decisions continues with spending paragon points. |
Can you buy things that will make you better than someone else? Define better. I bought a race and class. The race is better than the standard races and the class was simply different (and more suited to my playstyle).
In the 2nd game I get points per month to spend as I choose. I get all existing content and most new content. They did just release a full expansion pack which I had to buy but I did and have zero regrets as I got things that will be unavailable in the store for quite some time, if ever. In that store I can buy cosmetic items (yay!) and that's where most of my points have gone. I've bought some increased storage, but as a VIP I started with more than the Freebs or Prems. I can buy "stat bonuses" but everyone can. They're not overpowering and in a largely PvE game it's like doing Crimsons arc where a couple of people on the team have all their T4 incarnate powers, ie: everybody wins.
Anyway, if PS sticks with Turbines sub model and balances the store offerings they should see a large return of old players and some new ones as well that quickly become at least Prems.
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Forbin was refering to Redrum I believe with their crossposting campaign of "Going Rogue is now free".|
Originally Posted by Gilfred
Actually I have been playing for about five years on and off. So I am just wanting a way to easily tell what is unlocked and what is not. Even if it is in the store, you go there to purchase slots and instantly you see just how many slots you have unlocked. Things like that.
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And you do have a nice UI request, I suspect personally, that the majority of the question is going to be coming up more so with stuff like slots though. I can see question about it with a few feature unlocks, but well, time will tell how the interface looks
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I have looked at everything that is in freedom, the faq, comparison page and it says nothing about Controllers, Masterminds as the two archetypes not available to free players. Also it says that GR is purchasable, not included. It only says included on the VIP stats. Now I would like to know where players got that extra info on those things. |
Originally Posted by reiella
Forbin was refering to Redrum I believe with their crossposting campaign of "Going Rogue is now free".
And you do have a nice UI request, I suspect personally, that the majority of the question is going to be coming up more so with stuff like slots though. I can see question about it with a few feature unlocks, but well, time will tell how the interface looks . |
Also my account is one of those weird accounts. On the account page it says I have 4 years seven months of paid time. I have been checking it for months and the paid time never changes even though I am still paying to play or I would not be able to post. Also I was one of the ones that got extra vet rewards, that I did not earn. But because NCSoft did not want to be an indian giver, they let me keep those rewards.
So I have no way of knowing just how many character slots that I have opened. When I go to the store in the game, when City of Heroes Freedom launches. I would like to see items in there that are already unlocked, marked as unlocked. That way I am not trying to buy something that I already have. Where I could even be wasting valuable Cryptic Points in the effort.
When spending something valuable as Cryptic Points, more so if I were to buy Cryptic Points, I want to make informed decisions. Without that kind of UI that has that information in it. Then I would not be able to do so. I also noticed that I really need to update my sig.
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The Devs and Zwill have been answering questions in the official announcement thread, you can find their posts in the Dev/Community trackers in the the development sections of the forums.
But, given that that is only 2 days after the initial announcement, there is still a bunch of specifics that are not nailed down. I'm sure that once the systems for Freedom are actually in place, you'll be able to see exactly what you are entitled to with whatever level of vet status/buy in you have.
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There is no power, or enhancement that would make somebody a god throughout all levels. Again, there is a difference between players and their builds already in game. Going F2P isn't going to suddenly create the issue.
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Originally Posted by Gilfred
Look I was giving an example, I was trying to say if a player had the extra cash and could buy a power, enhancement set. That could make them like gods throughout all levels. There are those that are competitive and like to compete with others. How can two players that are playing on a free account compete if one has more money to buy said powers, enhancement sets.
Also you have to remember that some do PvP in this game as well. Things like that could break the balance in this game. So that the devs would have to tune the game for those god powers. Making it harder for those that cannot get them. I am not talking about just those things that affect incarnates. I am talking across the leveling portion of the game. |
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Official discussion thread or dev's digest.
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Originally Posted by Gilfred
I have looked at everything that is in freedom, the faq, comparison page and it says nothing about Controllers, Masterminds as the two archetypes not available to free players. Also it says that GR is purchasable, not included. It only says included on the VIP stats. Now I would like to know where players got that extra info on those things.
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Ah this fantasy. Afraid your in some parallel universe because COH:Freedom isn't going to give free Going Rogue to anyone.
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Originally Posted by REDRUM
I dont like how everyone gets GR free. I payed for my GR and i think we should get are money back or a free month of game play or something. Its not right to have people pay for somthing then just give it out free to everyone
Thats BS and thay need to do something for the people who payed for it. |
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You also need to stalk the red names around on announcement days. That is what the dev digest is useful for.|
Originally Posted by Gilfred
I will go check those pages again. But when I first read it I did not see it say that the two archetypes that the free players will not get are Controllers and Masterminds. Where the clarity is not at is how many slots my account will have. I am not sure just how many slots my account has unlocked.
Also what rewards will be in there to chose from? How are they going to be way better than the older vet rewards without being game breaking? |
Ok, Free and Premium characters get 2 free character slots total. If they want more they have to buy them. That said any existing account that goes Premium will have some extra slots because that is 2 character slots + purchased/unlocked slots. So an existing account that goes Premium should likely have 1 or more extra slots available.
They have just started announcing things. That is why you don't see a detailed list of what Paragon Rewards will be available. Start worrying if we get closer to the proposed October release date and you still don't know what rewards are available.
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Uhm do you realize I was talking about Redrum's post? |
Originally Posted by Gilfred
Actually I have been playing for about five years on and off. So I am just wanting a way to easily tell what is unlocked and what is not. Even if it is in the store, you go there to purchase slots and instantly you see just how many slots you have unlocked. Things like that.
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Look I could think up of many things that could make one more god like. Take the following that I just thought about. |
Originally Posted by Amy_Amp
There is no power, or enhancement that would make somebody a god throughout all levels. Again, there is a difference between players and their builds already in game. Going F2P isn't going to suddenly create the issue.
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Two VIP players both players have all five incarnate slots open and equiped with abilities. Now let's say for $20 one of them could buy more incarnate ability slots, buying one slot for Alpha, Destiny, Lore, Interface, judgements. So that player would have two slots for all of them. While it would be impossible for the other VIP player to unlock them period. Now how could the other player actually compete with him.
Or for $30 they could have it where you could remove ED from all of your characters period. For X dollars they could allow all of your characters to have perma hasten again. There are other things that are highly unlikely to happen but if not done right could be a deal breaker for some. That is why when a game that was a sub goes with microtransactions most of what is there has to be mostly cosmetic items.
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I just hope that NCSoft has done it's homework on this hybrid model. Otherwise they could kill this game, if they were to put truly game changing items in the shop. Ones that would give players that have the extra cash, unfair advantages over the ones that do not have that kind of cash. Even though it is an exciting time, I am still going to be looking carefully how this plays out.
I am looking forward to more information on this. I still do not know what I would lose if my account went to premium. Because there have been times in the close to five years I have been playing, where I had to let my sub lapse. So if I have to do it again, I am still not clear as to what I would be losing. I know that they have said whatever you have unlocked on your account you keep as premium, also what you have bought.
Also I would like to have a way of seeing either in game or at my account screen, what I would have if my account were to switch to premium. With that information I could make informed decisions on the best way to spend my paragon points.
Let's say I have a total of about 30 characters. How many slots will I have available on my account? What characters would not be available? How would the available characters be chosen?
Meaning I hope that NCSoft, will give us the players the information we need to make good informed decisions continues with spending paragon points.
Ebony Fists: Level 50 DM/Regen Scrapper, Gloom Piston Robotics/Dark mastermind level 34, QueenFireMare: Level 34 Fire blaster (pure fire),